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re: Poli Talk Solutions: The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Posted on 5/16/21 at 6:52 pm to The Detroit Lions
Posted on 5/16/21 at 6:52 pm to The Detroit Lions
I think there are two possible outcomes.
Israel is on track to annex all of the Palestinian territories.
As they absorb more and more land, they will lock the Palestinians into little islands, Bantustans. Where they'll will be kept caged with limited rights. The Palestinians represent a security threat, but more importantly they outnumber the Israelis. If Israel is going to remain a Jewish State, they can't be allowed to be part of it. So if Israel expands, then the Palestinians need to be locked up.
This is the South African solution. Longterm, I don't know how stable it will be.
It's also possible that Israel and Hezbollah will fight a war to end all wars. Israel would level Lebanon, but Hezbollah's rocket force would also wreck Israels civilian economy, and impose severe costs on the civilian population. I expect the Syrians would also be involved. Israel might survive, but they would be severely diminished. You'd see a massive outflow of people to the US, Europe, and Russia.
Israel is on track to annex all of the Palestinian territories.
As they absorb more and more land, they will lock the Palestinians into little islands, Bantustans. Where they'll will be kept caged with limited rights. The Palestinians represent a security threat, but more importantly they outnumber the Israelis. If Israel is going to remain a Jewish State, they can't be allowed to be part of it. So if Israel expands, then the Palestinians need to be locked up.
This is the South African solution. Longterm, I don't know how stable it will be.
It's also possible that Israel and Hezbollah will fight a war to end all wars. Israel would level Lebanon, but Hezbollah's rocket force would also wreck Israels civilian economy, and impose severe costs on the civilian population. I expect the Syrians would also be involved. Israel might survive, but they would be severely diminished. You'd see a massive outflow of people to the US, Europe, and Russia.
This post was edited on 5/16/21 at 9:19 pm
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Posted on 5/16/21 at 7:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
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This is the South African solution. Longterm, I don't know how stable it will be. But that's the Israeli solution to the problem.
It's also possible that Israel and Hezbollah will fight a war to end all wars. Israel would level Lebanon, but Hezbollah's rocket force would also wreck Israels civilian economy, and impose severe costs on the civilian population.
The optics of the first outcome, considering how accessible live streaming is now, are bad enough to where your second outcome becomes inevitable. Hezbollah will get involved at that point as the West Bank turns into Gaza. Israel can handle Hezbollah, but it'll come at a bigger cost and at the risk of getting Iran directly involved. If Iran directly steps in, the US will.
Are there any realistic concessions either side, or both, can make currently to prevent further flareups?
Posted on 5/16/21 at 7:49 pm to WaWaWeeWa
This argument always makes me roll my eyes, and I don't say that to be disrespectful, just that it ignores or just handwaves away the fact that they didn't choose to be passed back-n-forth by world powers. At some point they deserve the chance to be self-determinating.
I say this as a Jewish person who has visited many times.
I say this as a Jewish person who has visited many times.
Posted on 5/16/21 at 7:52 pm to The Detroit Lions
Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth, you aren't relocating more people there.
Posted on 5/16/21 at 8:30 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Bible says it's Israel's. The muslims stole it, so they have to give it back.
Man is so arrogant to think he can stop what God's word
Posted on 5/16/21 at 9:45 pm to The Detroit Lions
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How would you solve this clusterfrick of a mess?
There has to be a clear winner and a clear loser and that means letting Israel and Palestine fight it out to the death.
That's how conflicts throughout world history have been solved and it should be no different here and it would be better for the entire region.
That status quo of trying to coexist with each other is just not working and will never work.
Posted on 5/16/21 at 9:49 pm to Scruffy
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There was never a Palestine.
There wasn’t one in 1946.
Never in the history of the world has a country called Palestine existed. The “Palestinians” are a made up group of people used to serve as the oppressed so the Arabs can attack Israel. The Arabs don’t care about “Palestine”, they care about the destruction of Israel.
Posted on 5/16/21 at 9:55 pm to Bulldogblitz
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The Muslims beat them and took it, no?
No. They beat the Byzantines and took it
This post was edited on 5/16/21 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 5/16/21 at 9:56 pm to The Detroit Lions
Let them fight and stay out of it. Winner does as they please. If one of the surrounding nations chooses to join in, let them fight too. Rinse and repeat until peace through force is achieved.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 7:51 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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Bible says it's Israel's. The muslims stole it, so they have to give it back.
Modern Jews are not the descendants of the Israelites. Wanna guess who the closest descendants are?
Hint: it's the people that have been living there for the past 2000 years, not those that moved in 70 years ago. DNA studies by Israeli scientists have proven this.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 7:54 am to keakar
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send israel all the ammo and weapons it needs to exterminate every last muslim and step back and stay the frick out of it, its none of our business short of supporting israel with whatever it needs
This would be the opposite of "staying the frick out of it." Apparently, supporting Israel causes a lack of logic.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:03 am to Scruffy
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There was never a Palestine.
There wasn’t one in 1946.
Kinda weird how the League of Nations mentions it, then.
Mandate for Palestine
Are all the Israel supporters blinded by their bias or are they just ignorant of facts and history?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:06 am to The Detroit Lions
quote:I didn't realize the TPC course in Avondale was that long. Whats the yardage on that thing?
1. The West Bank:
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:22 am to TenWheelsForJesus
Then they were converted to muslim when they were conquered, so they still have to go.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:26 am to Eli Goldfinger
Pretty much at this point.
The Palis refuse to negotiate in good faith so they either need to make this a Thunderdome match where one side dies or they need to make it a submission match where one side has to permanently give up.
If they are going to continue to lob missiles and hide behind civilians, then every structure in Palestine likely needs to be leveled.
The Palis refuse to negotiate in good faith so they either need to make this a Thunderdome match where one side dies or they need to make it a submission match where one side has to permanently give up.
If they are going to continue to lob missiles and hide behind civilians, then every structure in Palestine likely needs to be leveled.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:27 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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Then they were converted to muslim when they were conquered
Not all of them. And how do you convert to muslim?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:28 am to Mo Jeaux
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convert to muslim?
Force?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:44 am to 1BIGTigerFan
For all of human history, when two nations go to war, the winner gets the land they conquered. Why would this case be any different?
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 8:45 am
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:49 am to saints5021
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winner gets the land they conquered.
Good. That's what I'm saying. Israel needs to conquer their land back!
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:04 am to The Detroit Lions
No solutions are available.
For Palestinians, this has always been a holy war that has spanned many generations. For Israel, I think they just want peace, but peace can't happen when one side thinks the other side shouldn't exist.
From the outside looking in, that conflict will continue until one side is destroyed. Idk who will win in the end.
For Palestinians, this has always been a holy war that has spanned many generations. For Israel, I think they just want peace, but peace can't happen when one side thinks the other side shouldn't exist.
From the outside looking in, that conflict will continue until one side is destroyed. Idk who will win in the end.
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