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re: Plane Crash Near Mar-a-Lago
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:36 am to BoarEd
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:36 am to BoarEd
From the initial reports it looks like a Learjet on the way to the Bahamas from Texas, carrying nine people. Ran into a core of a thunderstorm around 35,000 feet and encountered turbulence . Asked to go up to 37,000 due to turbulence and ran into severe icing. Could not maintain altitude and entered IFR conditions. Came out in a 60 degree bank and likely tried to abruptly correct. The audio sounds like she says they hit something, but frame grabs from the video show the horizontal stab (elevator) is missing (likely ripped off from overspeed and combination of icing). That loss of control created a near vertical dive at speeds approaching supersonic (almost 650 mph). That had to be terrifying for those poor souls on board.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:44 am to DocYatesVA
I've listened to the audio several times, and it is horrific. Those poor people.
As catastrophic as this was, the moment of impact provided them with no time to suffer, although falling abruptly from the sky had to have been one of the most terrifying experiences anyone could ever imagine and quite possibly excruciating as far as how it lasted.
As catastrophic as this was, the moment of impact provided them with no time to suffer, although falling abruptly from the sky had to have been one of the most terrifying experiences anyone could ever imagine and quite possibly excruciating as far as how it lasted.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:57 am to OchoDedos
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Shed it's wings and ailerons, and definitely went in like a missle. Could have been anything, a compressor stall in heavy precip with icing, judging from the frantic reaction of the PNF it happened quickly. I've heard of LJ-60's experiencing uncommanded thrust reversal at altitude, I'm putting my 2bit opinion in the compressor stall category. Eerily similar to the LJ air ambulance nose over in Philly
I know nothing about flying planes.
Was there any possibility that they could have brought the thing down relatively safely, like landing on a highway?
I've always thought that planes have the ability to glide a certain distance if the engines fail. Is that not correct?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:28 am to Pezzo
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Can an person even talk coherently while moving that fast? Seems like they’d pass out moving that fast.
It’s about G force not speed. Fighter Pilots talk all the time going well over Mach.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:42 am to Stinger_1066
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I know nothing about flying planes. Was there any possibility that they could have brought the thing down relatively safely, like landing on a highway? I've always thought that planes have the ability to glide a
If your control surfaces are covered in ice then they are no longer control surfaces. If you then enter a dive and over speed rips off your vertical stabilizer then your only control point is thrust, and all you can control is the velocity at which you hit the ground.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:43 am to Metaloctopus
I’m ready for Hoover to break down the pilot’s experience, qualifications, and the plane’s maintenance records at this point
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:43 am to Stinger_1066
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Was there any possibility that they could have brought the thing down relatively safely, like landing on a highway?
Not with a missing stabilizer.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:49 am to CT Hooktip
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High G-Force Load Factor: Pulling hard Gs during a recovery or steep dive dramatically increases the stall speed. An airplane flying fast can easily experience an "accelerated stall" if the load factor is raised too high for the current airspeed.
If you exceed the angle of attack that the wings can create lift, which they did in the steep dive, then you create a stall that basically causes all loss of control
My Mustangs will do this when coming out of a high-speed loop when given too much elevator on the downward side of the loop
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:49 am to BoarEd
“ inda strange considering the defense systems put in there and with everything else going on in the world currently.”(quote BE).
Having watched the video it is both sad for the passengers but eye opening in regard to your suspicion.
This tragedy indeed opens a new form of potential threats re Trump’s security at Mara Lago. And you can bet that Security concerns are being examined.
Aside, that poor lady at the yoke was nightmarish. Prayers to all on board and their beloved. At least it was quick. And now they are with God. I can only hope for such a painless end.
Having watched the video it is both sad for the passengers but eye opening in regard to your suspicion.
This tragedy indeed opens a new form of potential threats re Trump’s security at Mara Lago. And you can bet that Security concerns are being examined.
Aside, that poor lady at the yoke was nightmarish. Prayers to all on board and their beloved. At least it was quick. And now they are with God. I can only hope for such a painless end.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:03 am to BoarEd
quote:Indeed. What makes it statistically insignificant (an thus not an anomaly) is simple math a touch of common sense.
Saying it is "stupid" doesn't make it any less true.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:21 am to Taxing Authority
I would really just like to understand why they flew straight into a 45k thunderstorm. I know they can come up fast, but that would have literally been in their field of vision. Those storms can bubble warm air up, not sure how warm, but if it gets up close to the freezing mark with liquid, that is for sure an icing nightmare.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 8:22 am
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:33 am to JCdawg
Exactly. Do these luxury jets not have weather radar systems on board? My question remains why the pilot was not advised to fly around this storm if the plane didn't have weather radar?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:40 am to BFIV
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Exactly. Do these luxury jets not have weather radar systems on board? My question remains why the pilot was not advised to fly around this storm if the plane didn't have weather radar?
I believe that the plane did, so the decision was with the pilot. The FO asked "for another ride" while they were in the middle of the cell, not before.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 8:58 am to OccamsStubble
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so the decision was with the pilot.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 11/2/26 at 9:02 am to BoarEd
So they IDed her. Jack was her BF?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 9:03 am to BoarEd
So basically this is the same as you driving while having your wife / girlfriend navigate you somewhere on their iPhone.
a/k/a 'the Jack simulator'
We all know how that goes.
a/k/a 'the Jack simulator'
We all know how that goes.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 9:06 am to BoarEd
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so the decision was with the pilot.
Yes, IMO. You posted a pic of the First Officer
Posted on 11/2/26 at 9:07 am to Old Sarge
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My Mustangs
you have a P-51?
that's pretty badass if you do.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 9:08 am to OccamsStubble
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The FO asked "for another ride" while they were in the middle of the cell, not before
This is what's most puzzling, and upsetting to me...every student pilot should (and they probably do) have it beaten into their head that you avoid thunderstorms at all costs. At best you're gonna get you arse beat by turbulence, at worst....
We'll probably never know why they chose not to deviate around that cell, but this crash should be required review material for any student when weather avoidance is the topic of discussion.
What an absolutely horrific way to go.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 9:17 am to TD422
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but this crash should be required review material for any student when weather avoidance is the topic of discussion.
One thing the aviation industry does very well is make information available so that others can learn from it.
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