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re: Over Half of Democrats Don't Believe in Hell or the Devil
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:23 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:23 am to TrueTiger
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f the only thing keeping you from molesting kids or murdering is some fear of punishment after death then you're not that great a person.
None of us are. Hence the need for a savior.
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Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:52 am to BengalOnTheBay
I’m not a Dem, and don’t believe in hell or the devil so much so that I don’t see the point in capitalizing either like OP.
If there is a God who was our creator, why would he create he’ll or the devil? If you create something, why also create something that can destroy your creation?
Evil may exist as the word for making bad choices, but that doesn’t mean people have external blame to an entity that made them do it.
If we buy into an all-loving God, that can’t be the same entity that also creates an alternative universe to torture souls who made bad choices. He could just delete them.
If there is a God who was our creator, why would he create he’ll or the devil? If you create something, why also create something that can destroy your creation?
Evil may exist as the word for making bad choices, but that doesn’t mean people have external blame to an entity that made them do it.
If we buy into an all-loving God, that can’t be the same entity that also creates an alternative universe to torture souls who made bad choices. He could just delete them.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:06 am to Willie Stroker
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If we buy into an all-loving God, that can’t be the same entity that also creates an alternative universe to torture souls who made bad choices. He could just delete them.
You miss the idea of free will. God leaves it up to us to decide. What you describe is nothing more than robots running on a program. I don't know all the answers, neither am I supposed to. Paul says the clay shouldn't question the potter, it's the potter that decides what will be made from the lump of clay. God also tells us it's none of our business, that His ways are above our ways. It takes some humility to choose to believe.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:11 am to BengalOnTheBay
I'm a Republican who doesn't believe in hell or the devil. 
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:31 am to lake chuck fan
quote:Unless you are a Catholic or Calvinist.
You miss the idea of free will
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Job is obviously a parable. Much of the old testament is just that.
You’re going to give Foo a heart attack. The Bible is a literal description of history which is why the Earth is only 6,000-10,000 years old.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:49 am to Penrod
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I'm a Republican
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who doesn't believe in hell or the devil.
Explains a lot.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 9:01 am to captainFid
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I disagree. Without the devil, there is no hell and man doesn't care about the impact of his actions in this world.
Hell and Evil are both detachments from God. Hell is just the permanent version of evil. Both are a choice, so clearly there are those who realize the consequences of their actions and still choose to turn away from God.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 9:50 am to lake chuck fan
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You miss the idea of free will.
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14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:01 am to BengalOnTheBay
quote:So, in your mind, one can support the US Coonstitution and limited government only if one also believes in Bronze Age fairy tales?quote:Explains a lot.
I'm a Republican … who doesn't believe in hell or the devil.
OK
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:05 am to BengalOnTheBay
I don't believe in the typical "Hell."
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:07 am to BengalOnTheBay
They don’t believe in God either.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:11 am to AggieHank86
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So, in your mind, one can support the US Coonstitution and limited government only if one also believes in Bronze Age fairy tales?
You got all that out of "explains a lot"? Really?
And you're supposed to say "fairy tale invented by Bronze Age goat herders."
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:31 am to BengalOnTheBay
The Devil is barely mentioned in the Bible and really became a character a lot later than you'd believe in terms of human history. Modern Evangelicals also co-opt lots of non-Satan things as Satan, like the serpent in the Garden of Good and Evil.
Hell is mentioned more, but it's still a common historical view that "Hell" just means being separated from God and Heaven, and all the suffering and torment comes as a result of that and not actual torture.
Hell is mentioned more, but it's still a common historical view that "Hell" just means being separated from God and Heaven, and all the suffering and torment comes as a result of that and not actual torture.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:32 am to BengalOnTheBay
They will.
Doesn’t really matter if you believe in the Devil if he believes in you.
Doesn’t really matter if you believe in the Devil if he believes in you.
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:35 am to burke985
quote:Don’t know if you’ve ever read the Bible, but the god in it is a vengeful pile of shite. The fact that he still gets worship and not pure disdain says a lot about society’s lack of morality
their morality and the word of god are the exact opposite
You don’t need a devil when you have that scumbag
Kudos to the Dems for getting one thing right
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 10:41 am
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:36 am to BengalOnTheBay
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Over Half of Democrats Don't Believe in Hell or the Devil
That’s because they are usually told what to think, say or act like….they have no set of believes! They are a bunch of sheep lol
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:43 am to AggieHank86
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So, in your mind, one can support the US Coonstitution and limited government only if one also believes in Bronze Age fairy tales?
Take it up with the Founders, not me. And I was mostly just taking a shot at Penrod rather than making a profound philosophical statement.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Hell is mentioned more, but it's still a common historical view that "Hell" just means being separated from God and Heaven, and all the suffering and torment comes as a result of that and not actual torture.
Yes, that's exactly what Hell is. As has been previously mentioned, many Democrats that apparently believe in "god," seemingly do not believe there can be any consequence for rejecting that same god. Seems odd, but I use god in quotes with lower case because I suspect many Democrats do not believe in a traditional Christian God as I do.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:47 am to BengalOnTheBay
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but I use god in quotes with lower case because I suspect many Democrats do not believe in a traditional Christian God as I do.
I imagine most conservatives don't believe your god is the traditional God as well.
We have weekly anti-Papist threads on this very board, for instance.
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