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re: Over Half of Democrats Don't Believe in Hell or the Devil
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:28 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:28 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:Both, but I'm not very interested in a generic "theism", because there is no salvation in theism. Only the God of the Christian Bible can save.
Evidence for an intelligent designer or that the god of the bible is real and is that designer? Not that there is really evidence for either but I find one a bit more plausible.
That being said, the one, true God has provided many evidences that support His existence and confirm the truthfulness of His Word in the Scriptures. There are archeological evidences, scientific evidences, and philosophical evidence, on top of the most important one: the eye-witness testimony of God, Himself, as proclaimed through the Bible.
I tend to stick with the transcendental argument which is the basis for all knowledge and understanding in this world, as it encompasses philosophical truths and scientific disciplines. In other words, you have to assume a world that the Bible describes made by the God of the Bible before you can make sense of reality.
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:God created the "religion" through His revelation in the Bible, by giving us commands of what and what not to do, especially in worship of Him (we call this the regulative principle of worship).
Man, Christians turned a beautiful and simple spiritual experience into a massive religion with a book written by man that is "inerrant."
Man can and does abuse what God has given us, but those who claim to love Christ but reject the order and discipline of the Church that He established seem to be either ignorant of Christ's holistic teachings, or they reject His teachings in favor of something that is more palatable from a place if individualism.
I've seen it time and time again where "Christians" say things like "nature is my church", or "I worship God in my heart" in an attempt to skirt the commands to meet with other brothers and sisters regularly for worship. The NT knows nothing of the "independent" Christian that submits to no one but himself and learns from no one else. Christ gave officers of the Church for our good, and gave members of the church for our encouragement and for us to encourage. Those who reject the "religion" of Christianity reject a precious gift that Christ has given to us.
quote:"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might" -Deut. 6:5
I am a new testament guy myself. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
"You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord." -Lev. 19:18
As you can see, Jesus didn't come to do away with the Old Testament, but to fulfill it. All of Scripture is God-breathed, not just the New Testament.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:52 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:You can test and repeat the past. What you're doing is conflating observable science with historical science, using the assumption that all of history operates exactly like the present does. You go on to talk about your own lack of presuppositions, but this is one of those axioms that you hold to.
No, there isn’t. However, there is actual overwhelming evidence and repeatable observable proven scientific theories to counter what you believe to be true.
quote:Did I make that specific claim? I did not. There is room for variation within the animal kinds before and after the flood. Strawmen make for weak arguments.
You believe carnivorous dinosaurs - with meat eating teeth and digestive systems which could not have digested plant matter - were on the ark (which didn’t exist) 6000 years ago. C’mon man.
quote:You see "transitional" organisms and I see distinct animals or humans.
No telling what you think of Australopithecus, Homo Habilis, and Homo Erectus fossils, and transitional dinosaur to bird species such as archaeopteryx. Tools of the devil?
quote:As was already stated, we all have presuppositions that color how we interpret evidence. No one is neutral as you claim to be. I could point to all kinds of evidence of your creator and you would just interpret the evidence to a different conclusion and say "there is no evidence". You are blinded to the truth because God has not removed your heart of stone.
You project. You have presuppositions and biases that cloud your judgement, not me. I’m rational. I look at the evidence and acknowledge things that are actually fact. If evidence of a God was made apparent, I would take that into consideration. Problem is there is no evidence, despite your B.S. claims.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:55 pm to hubertcumberdale
quote:Without an objective standard, this principle of yours is nothing but your own personal preference which is neither more right or wrong than a person's belief that it is "moral" to do what they want, when they want, to who they want, for whatever reason.
Man I just dont frick with other people as i would not like to be fricked with as well lmfao, call it whatever you want
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:59 pm to tarzana
quote:There is no "natural law" if there is no God. "Natural law" is just what the most people want it to be and can enforce (or those with the biggest clubs/swords/guns.
It follows a concept of Natural Law.
Certain activities are proscribed as "evil" in every human society, and others, like supererogatory altruism are considered "good" everywhere. Natural law
Just because you don't like rape and murder doesn't make those things objectively immoral in themselves. You have to have a standard that originates from outside the human experience for that standard to be objective, otherwise all you have is opinion and preference codified into law through the principle of "might makes right".
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