re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

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so, we bombed iran's natural gas facilities. iran responds that they will take out some oil facilities in saudia and uae. can iran deliver on their threats?

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Either Trump is going to pull a rabbit out of a hat over the next couple months or he will be removed from office after severely weakening both our reputation and our national security and ensuring permanent commie control of the country.

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so, we bombed iran's natural gas facilities. iran responds that they will take out some oil facilities in saudia and uae. can iran deliver on their threats?

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Better have interceptors in place, because they can and will try.

Completely unnecessary escalation by the Israeli air force.

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mean, Anne Applebaum has been critical of Trump since before his first term. It's not shocking that her opinion piece would be less than glowing.

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I think the key here is if you don’t like trump you will continue to see everything he does as not thought out and whimsical etc.

If you like trump you see someone who purposefully redirects and confuses opponents with rhetoric and misleading statements which then allows him to move exactly as planned.

Generally someone does not move from one camp to the other and it’s hard to convince people of even considering the other point of view.


This is precisely why Trump has been successful his whole life. Most people don’t know how to read or view someone who acts the way he does. It’s hard to predict his steps or get leverage on him.

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I think the key here is if you don’t like trump you will continue to see everything he does as not thought out and whimsical etc.

If you like trump you see someone who purposefully redirects and confuses opponents with rhetoric and misleading statements which then allows him to move exactly as planned.

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Anyone can take on that philosophy but results are in fact the end result and it almost always ends in a win........and proving his naysayers wrong.....again.

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HONG KONG (AP) — About 90 ships including oil tankers have crossed the Strait of Hormuz since the outset of the war with Iran and it is still exporting millions of barrels of oil at a time when the waterway has been effectively closed, according to maritime and trade data platforms.

Many of the vessels that passed through the strait were so-called “dark” transits evading Western government sanctions and oversight that likely have ties to Iran, maritime data firm Lloyd’s List Intelligence said. More recently, vessels with ties to India and Pakistan have also successfully crossed the strait as governments stepped up negotiations.

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However, Iran has still managed to export well above 16 million barrels of oil since the beginning of March, trade data and analytics platform Kpler estimated. Due to Western sanctions and associated risks, China has been the biggest buyer of Iranian oil.

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Assuming the article is true, IYO what does that mean?

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It is from "the atlantic". It means nothing. It is another attack on Trump by the enemy.

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As a result of Operation Midnight Hammer, Iran’s nuclear enrichment program was obliterated. There has been no efforts since then to try to rebuild their enrichment capability. The entrances to the underground facilities that were bombed have been buried and shuttered with cement.

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Versus

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Steve Witkoff, the special envoy to the Middle East who President Donald Trump tasked with negotiating a deal with Iran, does not sound very much like a diplomat lately.

“There’s almost no stopping them, they have an endless supply of [enriched uranium],” Witkoff told Sean Hannity the day the war began. “They thought they could strong-arm us. ... It was very, very clear that it was — it was going to be impossible, probably by the second meeting.”

“They bragged about having 60% enriched fuel, enough for 11 bombs,” he told reporters seven days into the conflict. “They told me and Jared, ‘We’re not going to give you diplomatically what you couldn’t take militarily.’ So you know, I think they’re gonna need a change of attitude.”

“In a year, if you had someone who didn't have the courage to do this action, you'd have 30 or 40 nuclear bombs,” he said in an interview with CNBC on Tuesday.

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More from my last link

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Witkoff’s statements haven’t just raised eyebrows for their oddly bellicose nature. Several experts and foreign officials have also taken issue with Witkoff and Kushner’s apparent ignorance of the technical issues involved.

Omani foreign minister Badr bin Hamad Al Busaidi, a mediator in the talks, made the unusual move of urgently flying to Washington after the talks, to tell both the White House and the American public that, contrary to Wiktoff and Kushner’s nay-saying, Iran had made concessions that went well beyond President Barack Obama’s 2015 nuclear deal.

Arms Control Association president Daryl Kimball told reporter Laura Rozen that, based on Trump officials’ on-the-record briefing about the failure of the talks, the duo appeared to have fatally misunderstood a series of basic technical and historical matters involved in the talks. While Witkoff and Kushner viewed Iran’s insistence on continuing to use 20% enriched uranium at the Tehran Research Reactor (TRR) as a red flag, there is no evidence the reactor was being used, or even could be used, to make a bomb, nuclear experts told MS NOW.

Drawing on these accounts, several observers have concluded that the war may have started because of Witkoff and Kushner’s “lack of nuclear knowledge” and because they “lacked the technical expertise to even understand what the Iranians were offering in negotiations.” Indeed, the Trump administration opted against including nuclear experts in the negotiating team, a fact which reportedly confused the Iranians.

Others privy to the talks have made more serious allegations, directly challenging Witkoff and Kushner’s account of what transpired. Witkoff’s claim that the Iranians had boasted about having enough enriched uranium for 11 nuclear bombs simply never happened, third parties present at the negotiations told MS NOW. One Gulf state diplomat said this claim — which Witkoff framed to Fox News as a veiled threat from the Iranian negotiators — was “inaccurate,” and that the Iranians were instead trying to say “that all of this material can all go away should we have a deal and Iran can be relieved from sanctions.”

A Gulf state diplomat also told the outlet that Witkoff mischaracterized a statement by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director Rafael Grossi. The American envoy claimed that Iran was enriching and stockpiling uranium at the TRR, rather than developing medicinal isotopes — an assertion that “just isn’t true” and that was based on a conversation “taken completely out of context by Mr. Witkoff,” the diplomat said.

This is on top of the fact that both the IAEA, including Grossi himself, and numerous assessments from both U.S. intelligence and outside experts have concluded the opposite of Witkoff’s public claims: that Iran was not close to producing a nuclear bomb, and was not even pursuing one.

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