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re: NYT: Iran retains operational access to 90% of missile sites according to US intelligence
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:02 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:02 pm to joshnorris14
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Probably the Intelligence Committees in their briefing sessions.
Sources say Im sure
Its the same bs every single time with these articles
Ppl that keep faling for it are dopes
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:02 pm to joshnorris14
I’d say a person’s, or “source’s,” intentions and credibility is tied directly to the veracity of their actions and statements.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:05 pm to SDVTiger
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Sources say Im sure
Its the same bs every single time with these articles
Ppl that keep faling for it are dopes
Thinking that every single unnamed source is inaccurate is retarded.
We can have discernment and analyze information that comes from an unnamed source, even when the relayer of that source is biased (When is the last war the NYT did not enthusiastically support launching?).
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:07 pm to joshnorris14
As I’ve said before in these threads, we have no way of knowing whether the person leaking is a political hack trying to undermine Trump or a realist and legitimate good guy tired of lying and gaslighting.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
Gee what are the odds?
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:08 pm to joshnorris14
I think this is at least the third major news outlet to report this over the last few weeks. Well vetted reporting by now.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:10 pm to TidenUP
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Exactly who are these people giving classified info(by their own admission) to the NYT? Seems like there are still leaks to the press that need to be dealt with.
Wasn’t there a thread the other day about Brennan saying they still have people imbedded in the agencies?
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:10 pm to Jbird
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Gee what are the odds?
Well, one thing you can look at is their history of treating Trump so fairly in the past. So it’s more likely than not that they’re doing so here again, amirite??
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:10 pm to joshnorris14
I doubt the premise of the article is actually true.
It is the NYT, so the journalistic credibility is automatically suspect.
It is the NYT, so the journalistic credibility is automatically suspect.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:11 pm to DeBoar
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Wasn’t there a thread the other day about Brennan saying they still have people imbedded in the agencies?
The only time any of those people supported Trump was when he was bombing Syria.
If Trump launched a full scale war on Iran tomorrow they would sing his praises to the heavens.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:13 pm to CastleBravo
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I doubt the premise of the article is actually true.
It is the NYT, so the journalistic credibility is automatically suspect.
I suspect the premise is true, but imprecise in a way that materially changes how to interpret the information.
I imagine how it was actually presented to the Congress was along the lines of:
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Of the 33 Iranian missile sites, we believe 10 are operating at 25% capacity, 10 are operating at 50% capacity, and 10 are operating near full capacity
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:16 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:Iraq's Population (2003) - 26,802,658
Do you see it as more of an "Iraq", a "Vietnam", or an "Afghanistan"?
Vietnam's Population* (1965) - 38,024,836
Afghanistan's Population (2001) - 20,280,000
Iran's Population (2026) - 93,079,008
Iraq is roughly the size of California.
Vietnam is roughly the size of New Mexico.
Afghanistan is roughly the size of Texas.
Iran is roughly the size of Alaska.
Anyone advocating for a boots on the ground invasion needs to be sent to Ft. Benning or Parris Island. And it should go without saying (2001 in Afghanistan or 2003 Iraq), but winning the war is the easy part. Winning the peace is the hard part. As much as we want to believe that there is a legitimate opposition to Iran's regime, I haven't seen it. Dissidents that haven't been in the country for 47 years will be as successful as governing Iran as the one's we supported in Iraq or Afghanistan.
*North and South
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:26 pm to joshnorris14
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Thinking that every single unnamed source is inaccurate is retarded.
You are right. Its not like we have a decade of proof of them being about 99% inaccurate or anything
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:53 pm to joshnorris14
Not possible - brylcreem and spray tan said they were defeated and calling because they badly want to make a deal.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:24 pm to joshnorris14
"Access" to 90% of the sites means literally nothing except new troops can show up, dig through rubble, stand watch, send reports and receive orders from whatever command structure there is.
From the part you quoted:
This means the bombing campaign in fact rendered at least 30 out of 33 missile sites effectively inoperative. If so, Trump wasn't lying to say they were largely destroyed. Regrettably, it's not surprising that the NYT is trying to frame what was operational success at the time into a diss on Trump for being wrong or lying.
If new intel is coming in saying Iranian forces have used the ceasefire to "restore operational access", it doesn't mean it's anywhere near fully operational.
If all the Iranian forces can do is scrounge up some mobile launchers and unfired missiles and move them somewhere else, then it sounds like many if not most of the 30 sites were devastated. Again, retaining / restoring "access" to these sites isn't much of an accomplishment since we're not firing at them.
Iran was and absolutely is a threat to shipping. It really shouldn't be surprising that they took advantage of the ceasefire to regroup over the past few weeks. The longer this goes on, the more operational ability they'll recover. But reading this tweet, they don't sound like they've recovered much. It reads more like the NYT wants to cast doubt unnecessarily.
From the part you quoted:
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Iran has regained access to most of its missile sites, launchers and underground facilities.
Most alarming to some senior officials is evidence that Iran has restored operational access to 30 of the 33 missile sites it maintains along the Strait of Hormuz
This means the bombing campaign in fact rendered at least 30 out of 33 missile sites effectively inoperative. If so, Trump wasn't lying to say they were largely destroyed. Regrettably, it's not surprising that the NYT is trying to frame what was operational success at the time into a diss on Trump for being wrong or lying.
If new intel is coming in saying Iranian forces have used the ceasefire to "restore operational access", it doesn't mean it's anywhere near fully operational.
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depending on the level of damage incurred at the different sites — that the Iranians can use mobile launchers that are inside the sites to move missiles to other locations.
If all the Iranian forces can do is scrounge up some mobile launchers and unfired missiles and move them somewhere else, then it sounds like many if not most of the 30 sites were devastated. Again, retaining / restoring "access" to these sites isn't much of an accomplishment since we're not firing at them.
Iran was and absolutely is a threat to shipping. It really shouldn't be surprising that they took advantage of the ceasefire to regroup over the past few weeks. The longer this goes on, the more operational ability they'll recover. But reading this tweet, they don't sound like they've recovered much. It reads more like the NYT wants to cast doubt unnecessarily.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:57 pm to joshnorris14
Hegseth and Caine have been misleading Trump regarding our munitions stockpiles, so it makes sense that Iran’s missiles are still largely intact. We’ve spent $25B, 1,000 Tomahawk missiles, over 1,300 Patriot interceptor missiles, and around 1,100 long-range stealth cruise missiles and only 3 of the 33 missile sites along the Strait of Hormuz have been rendered inoperable. This is why you need a declaration of war - we need an actual budget, plan, and accountability to be successful.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 5/13/26 at 12:09 am to DyeHardDylan
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Hegseth and Caine have been misleading Trump regarding our munitions stockpiles, so it makes sense that Iran’s missiles are still largely intact.
You’re right, it makes sense……nonsense.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 12:42 am to joshnorris14
I can't read the fricking article and I am not paying for the NYT. Let me guess "anonymous sources"?
Posted on 5/13/26 at 12:45 am to stelly1025
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I can't read the fricking article and I am not paying for the NYT. Let me state a fact "anonymous sources".
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