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Nuanced take on Massie from KY-04 voter
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:12 pm
To start, I ended up voting for Massie yesterday. I had waffled back and forth, the decision could have been a lot easier if they picked someone that seemed a little less NeoConish than Gallrein, but I probably could have gone either way. I had family and friends that went separated ways as well.
I will say that Massie losing was clearly his own doing. No one worked harder to get him out of office than Thomas Massie. He simply stopped trying to do his job and represent his constituents and work within the framework of our political system to push his ideas and agendas forward. He chose to go on a self-destructive mission, that often times looked to be driven more by personal qualms than any sort of principles.
The optics just simply were not there for him. It appeared he was doing everything in his power to make Trump ineffective, which was not going to fly in a district that overwhelmingly voted for Trump to get his agenda pushed.
This goes back to the classic problem with libertarianism. It’s great at offering critiques of existing policies. But absolutely terrible at coming up with concrete action plans “that will actually work in reality” on how to get their agenda passed.
I argued with a friend last night about the situation. Said friend is totally ate up about the debt clock and how we have to roll it back, etc etc… which I don’t disagree with any of his wishes and goals. However I had to continue to remind him that it is not achievable with the level of immigration and makeup of our demographics and electorate. So until we go back to an electorate that resembles early America, we have to work within the confines of massive debt. There is no other option presently available.
I will say that Massie losing was clearly his own doing. No one worked harder to get him out of office than Thomas Massie. He simply stopped trying to do his job and represent his constituents and work within the framework of our political system to push his ideas and agendas forward. He chose to go on a self-destructive mission, that often times looked to be driven more by personal qualms than any sort of principles.
The optics just simply were not there for him. It appeared he was doing everything in his power to make Trump ineffective, which was not going to fly in a district that overwhelmingly voted for Trump to get his agenda pushed.
This goes back to the classic problem with libertarianism. It’s great at offering critiques of existing policies. But absolutely terrible at coming up with concrete action plans “that will actually work in reality” on how to get their agenda passed.
I argued with a friend last night about the situation. Said friend is totally ate up about the debt clock and how we have to roll it back, etc etc… which I don’t disagree with any of his wishes and goals. However I had to continue to remind him that it is not achievable with the level of immigration and makeup of our demographics and electorate. So until we go back to an electorate that resembles early America, we have to work within the confines of massive debt. There is no other option presently available.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:13 pm to burger bearcat
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I will say that Massie losing was clearly his own doing. No one worked harder to get him out of office than Thomas Massie. He simply stopped trying to do his job and represent his constituents and work within the framework of our political system to push his ideas and agendas forward. He chose to go on a self-destructive mission, that often times looked to be driven more by personal qualms than any sort of principles.
But you still voted for him
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:16 pm to burger bearcat
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ended up voting for Massie yesterday
Oh shite. You are the enemy now too.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:19 pm to burger bearcat
Nah you got it all wrong.
The enormous orthodox Jewish population in his Kentucky district and their AIPAC money did Massie in.
They couldn’t stand true MAGA being in control anymore.
The enormous orthodox Jewish population in his Kentucky district and their AIPAC money did Massie in.
They couldn’t stand true MAGA being in control anymore.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:20 pm to burger bearcat
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he was doing everything in his power to make Trump ineffective,
^------ One would think after how 2020 turned around to bite the Globalists in the arse, Massie would have been smarter than this.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:23 pm to burger bearcat
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I ended up voting for Massie yesterday.
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He simply stopped trying to do his job and represent his constituents and work within the framework of our political system to push his ideas and agendas forward. He chose to go on a self-destructive mission, that often times looked to be driven more by personal qualms than any sort of principles.
ok
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:24 pm to burger bearcat
I can respect your reasonded opinion here, even if I don’t agree with all of it. It’s not made up of the pre-fed hyperbolic, exaggerated talking points.
These two things….
But the day of reckoning is coming. There’s a reason younger voters went hard Massie. They are completely screwed by the status quo. Many voted for Trump to shake up the status quo. Unfortunately they are just gettting another serving. As a parent… i fell bad.
These two things….
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But absolutely terrible at coming up with concrete action plans “that will actually work in reality” on how to get their agenda passed.
quote:… are what say to me we are in a populist movement. Everybody wants “their” slice, rather than addressing the issue. Trump is right to want infinite debt and spending. It’s popular as hell. And you can win elections doing it. GOPE has been doing it for decades.
I don’t disagree with any of his wishes and goals. However I had to continue to remind him that it is not achievable with the level of immigration and makeup of our demographics and electorate
But the day of reckoning is coming. There’s a reason younger voters went hard Massie. They are completely screwed by the status quo. Many voted for Trump to shake up the status quo. Unfortunately they are just gettting another serving. As a parent… i fell bad.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:27 pm to burger bearcat
I find nothing wrong with this post. This is what a voter should always do. Break it down to pros and cons to see which is the best.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:30 pm to burger bearcat
If Massie had gone on a Media tour with Republicans pushing for fiscal responsibility, he’d be worth reelection.
He chose to partner with Democrats and the MSM instead. Massie became an obstructionist of Trumps agenda.
He chose to partner with Democrats and the MSM instead. Massie became an obstructionist of Trumps agenda.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:30 pm to roadGator
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Oh shite. You are the enemy now too.
Oh no! An enemy of an anonymous message board where no one has the balls to run for office themselves! People take this place too seriously.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:31 pm to Taxing Authority
Trump requested billions and billions of cuts just for starters and they were all denied. He can’t control congress.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:36 pm to burger bearcat
quote:I can see all of that.
I ended up voting for Massie yesterday ... the decision could have been a lot easier if they picked someone that seemed a little less NeoConish than Gallrein ... I probably could have gone either way
I don't see "neoconish" as being quite as dangerous in the House as it is in the Senate, but I can understand it tilting the vote.
quote:IMO, it is a problem with the people presenting it, not the premise.
This goes back to the classic problem with libertarianism. It’s great at offering critiques of existing policies. But absolutely terrible at coming up with concrete action plans “that will actually work in reality”
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:37 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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rump requested billions and billions of cuts just for starters
quote:Surely now with Massie gone we'll see massive budget cuts.
they were all denied.
quote:Trump has had the leadership he's wanted in the house going back to Kevin McCarthy.
He can’t control congress.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:41 pm to roadGator
quote:used to be a dem, switched over and gets frustrated, so now you are a bomb thrower
roadGator
Seems like you like a good pissing match/fight…
maybe calm down a little
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:43 pm to SoFlaGuy
quote:Xan would like a word
where no one has the balls to run for office themselves
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:44 pm to burger bearcat
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we have to work within the confines of massive debt. There is no other option presently available.
Do we?
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Trump will eventually make the legal case that the national debt was created THROUGH FRAUD — and fraud vitiates everything.
Combined with Amendment 14 Section 4, the debt will shrink to nearly nothing.
Trump then pays it off, brings us fully into the new system, and the central bank loses all leverage over the American people permanently.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:45 pm to burger bearcat
Stop blaming others.
Massie has nobody to blame except himself.
He chose to get in a personal squabble with Trump and his vendetta against him clouded his judgement, turning his voters off.
His opponents received 85% of the new votes.
That’s abysmal for an incumbent.
Massie has nobody to blame except himself.
He chose to get in a personal squabble with Trump and his vendetta against him clouded his judgement, turning his voters off.
His opponents received 85% of the new votes.
That’s abysmal for an incumbent.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 1:45 pm to VoxDawg
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Trump will eventually make the legal case that the national debt was created THROUGH FRAUD — and fraud vitiates everything.
Combined with Amendment 14 Section 4, the debt will shrink to nearly nothing.
Trump then pays it off, brings us fully into the new system, and the central bank loses all leverage over the American people permanently.
You post some historically dumb shite, but this may be your masterpiece
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