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re: New video of Pretti a week before being shot showing his violent behavior
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:22 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:22 pm to GRTiger
quote:
The only reason you're still in this thread is because you are too stupid to feel shame.
Too stupid to feel shame? That's funny coming from someone who frequents the PT board.
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Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:22 pm to taylork37
Hurr durr rubber glue.
Gtfo
Gtfo
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:24 pm to taylork37
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Why am I not surprised the whole of the PT board is playing mental gymnastics to ensure there is ZERO fault placed at the feet of anyone but the guy that got killed.
The whole of the PT Board:
1) has the ability to reason
2) has eyes
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:24 pm to the808bass
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Based on what I’ve seen, I would be having some sleepless nights if I had pulled the trigger.
But I don’t play in traffic because I’m risk averse. I also don’t skydive or ride local carnival rides. Pretti decided to run with the bulls.
Yeah of course. Him and his lefty counterparts created an absurd fantasy Nazi narrative that led to him being in conflict with a gun with federal law enforcement in a super juiced environment.
Ultimately, I think the most likely scenario is that the "gun" call went out, the officer who fired first did not see it removed, and instead saw Pretti make a draw-like move and reacted. Which, while tragic, will provide a reasonable and straight faced defense.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:25 pm to ApexTiger
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But the media likes to paint a different picture for you
The same media that is saying Pretti is a "would be assassin" or that the dude was reaching for and brandishing/pointing a gun at officers.
You are being selectively outraged here. I get it though.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:25 pm to the808bass
"This isn’t true. There’s multiple people in the thread who admit that he could’ve possibly been the victim of a mistake.
But no one on the left wants to admit that there’s a causative chain that includes this fricking moron’s actions. And that has, at the very least, moral implications for how we judge the totality of the situation."
well said. If it will help the moron you're arguing with I'll start:
I say dead guy is 85% culpable and live LEO are 15% culpable. I'm happy to move my scale in either direction as more evidence comes out.
Unfortunately, for dead guy, whether my scale moves or not, dead guy is still dead, in (large) part because he was where he shouldn't be doing something he shouldn't have been doing.
I find it very hard to believe my scale will move to 49% dead guy 51% LEO or "better" for dead guy given what we know so far.
But no one on the left wants to admit that there’s a causative chain that includes this fricking moron’s actions. And that has, at the very least, moral implications for how we judge the totality of the situation."
well said. If it will help the moron you're arguing with I'll start:
I say dead guy is 85% culpable and live LEO are 15% culpable. I'm happy to move my scale in either direction as more evidence comes out.
Unfortunately, for dead guy, whether my scale moves or not, dead guy is still dead, in (large) part because he was where he shouldn't be doing something he shouldn't have been doing.
I find it very hard to believe my scale will move to 49% dead guy 51% LEO or "better" for dead guy given what we know so far.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:25 pm to taylork37
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So it is completely due to what you deem as stupid decisions made by the guy? Nothing the DHS agents did was stupid?
Antagonizing and interfering with armed law enforcement is stupid. Doing it while armed is monumentally stupid.
So, Pretti's stupidity is on vivid display. What happened in a split-second mass of people is less clear. Perhaps the agents will be found to have done something wrong. Perhaps not. But there is no question about Pretti's actions.
2A is not a shield or a protection from bad decisions. Any firearms instructor will advise you not to carry in this type of situation, and not to resist, interfere or engage police while armed.
Carrying a weapon comes with great responsibility, and requires good judgement and decision making. Pretti exercised none of that.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:27 pm to taylork37
Yikes. I bet you're proud of that one 
Nitwit
Nitwit
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:29 pm to taylork37
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Too stupid to feel shame? That's funny coming from someone who frequents the PT board.
I think part of the problem is that you look at Pretti and think to yourself "That could have been me." So it frightens and angers you.
I look at Pretti and I know without a shadow of a doubt that no way in a million years could that happen to me.
That's because I'm smart enough to understand the risks acting up against law enforcement while armed with a deadly weapon. I'm smart enough to know that nothing good will ever come from something like that - so I would never do it.
Protest from the side of the road with a sign if you must. Legal battles are for the courts.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:29 pm to taylork37
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The same media that is saying Pretti is a "would be assassin" or that the dude was reaching for and brandishing/pointing a gun at officers.
Bro, what news sources are you watching?
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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2A is not a shield or a protection from bad decisions. Any firearms instructor will advise you not to carry in this type of situation, and not to resist, interfere or engage police while armed.
Carrying a weapon comes with great responsibility, and requires good judgement and decision making. Pretti exercised none of that.
I'll just leave this HERE (youtube)
This dude is the quintessential firearms instructor, expert, and 2A advocate. This guys comments are what makes me laugh when I here the usual 2A advocates do an about face because it suits their political agenda.
This post was edited on 1/28/26 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:29 pm to taylork37
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This board is certain it was lawful, including you likely. How did you determine that?
Its called an opinion dude.
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This board is certain it was lawful, including you likely. How did you determine that?
Its called an opinion dude.
Well if you want to deal in facts, this guy was clearly inviting a police altercation. All police altercations have a chance of ending deadly, and the laws protect them more than civilians. Carrying a gun greatly increases those chances. To exhibit this behavior on multiple occasions is reckless.
And it is illegal to carry a gun if you are committing a crime. What he did in this video was obviously an unprovoked crime.
So was it lawful? That is for the courts to decide, but he made decisions consistent with the people that generally have the worst luck in surviving a police altercation, which typically increases the chances that it was lawful.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:32 pm to OceanMan
I don't really care about the 2A battle, I think it's irrelevant for my purposes. He has the right to do what he's doing (or he doesn't) - don't care.
Most responsible guys who carry, including me, would say that they're MORE cautious when they carry. I'm not scrapping with anyone, no matter how mild, while I'm carrying unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm not flicking someone off, I'm not mouthing off, etc.
Because things happen and escalate that you can't foresee that are out of your control. If something requires me to draw, I intend for it to have not been the product (in any way) of something I've done.
Most responsible guys who carry, including me, would say that they're MORE cautious when they carry. I'm not scrapping with anyone, no matter how mild, while I'm carrying unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm not flicking someone off, I'm not mouthing off, etc.
Because things happen and escalate that you can't foresee that are out of your control. If something requires me to draw, I intend for it to have not been the product (in any way) of something I've done.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:33 pm to REB BEER
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He should be in jail for destroying gov property IMO. He'd at least still be alive.
Absolutely this! How in the hell was he not arrested for multiple felonies there?
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:33 pm to Pettifogger
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Most responsible guys who carry, including me, would say that they're MORE cautious when they carry. I'm not scrapping with anyone, no matter how mild, while I'm carrying unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm not flicking someone off, I'm not mouthing off, etc.
Because things happen and escalate that you can't foresee that are out of your control. If something requires me to draw, I intend for it to have not been the product (in any way) of something I've done
100%
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:37 pm to TS1926
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How about NO ICE agent shot him dead. You don't even know who shot him.
That is true. The secret police wear masks and don't identify themselves. The Administration has already said that the killer(s) were taken out of state and assigned elsewhere like a molesting priest in the 70s. The guy(s) might not have been ICE agents at all. They might just be Trump and Stephen Miller's secret assassin corps.
Is that what you mean? Because everyone in the Administration has already acknowledged that the killer(s) are theirs.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:39 pm to hawgfaninc
Nasty stupid democrat. 
OMB.
OMB.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:39 pm to taylork37
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the usual 2A advocates do an about face
Saying that it was a bad decision is not the same as saying it was illegal.
He was within rights under 2A to be carrying. Since he is dead, I think I am right that it was a bad decision.
You are way too caught up in the legality or the "blame" for this. All of my posts on this have been regarding his poor decision making to put himself in that situation. Same with Good.
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:40 pm to the808bass
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Bro, what news sources are you watching?
Sorry I was mistaken, not a news source. Stephen Miller the Homdland Security Advisor called him a "would be assasin".
Posted on 1/28/26 at 4:40 pm to taylork37
quote:
The same media that is saying Pretti is a "would be assassin"
Links?
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