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re: Mall of La / BR General petition for Annexation into City

Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by DR Hops
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
301 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:50 pm to
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So you think the owners of the Mall of La and the board of directors of the BR General Hospital were bullied and race baited and that's why they petitioned to be annexed into BR?


I wasn't referencing the businesses. I was referencing the tactics by BR metro Council members, Kip, BRFD, BR Cops, etc... towards the SG movement.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9790 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

want the pressure to stay on both the CP government and the school board to work even harder for improvements


What pressure?
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10999 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 2:59 pm to
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You do realize that fixing the school issue, or the lack thereof by EBR school officials, and BR bureaucrats is what led to the St. George petition in the first place, right?


Of course I do!

I was not in favor of ST. George city BUT do understand their complaints are valid! EBR schools are an embarrassment and it starts from the top. Baton Rouge has the chance to be a great city with all the jobs we have coming problem is we do not have enough educated workers to fill the jobs so they will come from other places.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133722 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:05 pm to
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I wasn't referencing the businesses. I was referencing the tactics by BR metro Council members, Kip, BRFD, BR Cops, etc... towards the SG movement.

If the annexation of the Mall of La and BRGH is what "kills" the incorporation effort (and I don't know that it will....the CP council might not vote to annex those areas....it still takes 7 CP council votes to annex an area), then all those other entities you listed weren't responsible for "killing" it. Your complaining just sounds like serious sour grapes and scapegoat-ism.

If you're an EBR resident, put pressure on your school board member, CP member and all other elected representatives just like I keep doing.

If you know Browning personally encourage him to run for office, hopefully for Mayor-President of EBR.

From what I've learned about him during this effort, I'd not only vote for him but I'd contribute to his campaign and volunteer to help him get elected. But I wouldn't piss on Bodi White or Lionel Rainey if they were on fire. The same goes for John Delgado.

Don't just be a bitch-and-complain type and then wonder why nothing changes.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133722 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

want the pressure to stay on both the CP government and the school board to work even harder for improvements



What pressure?

If you don't know, then I can't help you. Sorry.
Posted by DR Hops
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
301 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:11 pm to
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If the annexation of the Mall of La and BRGH is what "kills" the incorporation effort (and I don't know that it will....the CP council might not vote to annex those areas....it still takes 7 CP council votes to annex an area), then all those other entities you listed weren't responsible for "killing" it. Your complaining just sounds like serious sour grapes and scapegoat-ism.


From what i understand, it kills the petition due to the wording? As i understand the wording of the petition and this annexation, nullifies the petition.

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If you're an EBR resident, put pressure on your school board member, CP member and all other elected representatives just like I keep doing.

If you know Browning personally encourage him to run for office, hopefully for Mayor-President of EBR.

From what I've learned about him during this effort, I'd not only vote for him but I'd contribute to his campaign and volunteer to help him get elected. But I wouldn't piss on Bodi White or Lionel Rainey if they were on fire. The same goes for John Delgado.


I agree with what you are saying.

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Don't just be a bitch-and-complain type and then wonder why nothing changes.


Yeah, if only there was a way we could maybe petition for change....

For me personally, this just reinforces our plan for our child (due in the fall). The goal has always been private school, because we would never put our child in the BR school system if we had the means not to. It just would have been nice to have an actual viable option, instead of paying for my kids tuition, plus my taxes going towards someone else's tuition. BR schooling will not change, at least not within the next 3-5 years. Which means more people will keep moving to prairieville and the same frick ups that are currently running this city will avoid addressing the schools at all costs because they have no idea how to fix them, nor have any inclination to fix them, as long as they can act the way they do, and end up "winning" in the end. The status quo is here to stay, unless a new petition is drawn up.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9790 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

want the pressure to stay on both the CP government and the school board to work even harder for improvements What pressure


quote:

If you don't know, then I can't help you. Sorry.


Sorry, I know about the "pressure".

And it's about to go the way of the Leisure Suit.

Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:13 pm to
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So you think the owners of the Mall of La and the board of directors of the BR General Hospital were bullied and race baited and that's why they petitioned to be annexed into BR?
No, I think they were informed there would be zero support for maintenance of the roads and other infrastructure necessary for them to be successful. They didn't bow to political pressure, but to economic pressure.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26370 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:18 pm to
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No, I think they were informed there would be zero support for maintenance of the roads and other infrastructure necessary for them to be successful. They didn't bow to political pressure, but to economic pressure.



Do you have any specific reason to believe this or are you just throwing this against the wall and hoping it sticks?
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26370 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:24 pm to
ETA: Our Lady of the Lake also petitioning for Annexation. Adding to OP.

LINK

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Our Lady of the Lake Hospital is also applying for portions of its property to be annexed into the city of Baton Rouge, along with Baton Rouge General Medical Center and the Mall of Louisiana.

City-parish documents show that Our Lady of the Lake submitted a petition for annexation on Friday.

Terrie Sterling, chief operating officer Our Lady of the Lake, confirmed the news in a statement. She said that the hospital's property is split between the city and parish, creating logistical difficulties. She implies those challenges could be made more difficult by the proposed incorporation of the city of St. George.

quote:

"Our Lady of the Lake has filed an annexation petition with the City asking that the hospital’s property contiguous to the Essen/Hennessy campus be incorporated within the city limits. Today the hospital campus is divided with the main hospital and Hennessy Blvd medical office buildings operating within the current Baton Rouge city limits while the Tau Center and an adjacent 60-acres are outside the city limits, yet operate within the parish. Straddling the city/parish boundary creates challenges with first responders such as fire or law enforcement, as well as separate planning and zoning commissions.


Found this interesting. Seems as though its a forgone conclusion that these properties can be annexed by ordinance.

This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 3:29 pm
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9790 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:34 pm to
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For me personally, this just reinforces our plan for our child (due in the fall). The goal has always been private school, because we would never put our child in the BR school system if we had the means not to. It just would have been nice to have an actual viable option, instead of paying for my kids tuition, plus my taxes going towards someone else's tuition. BR schooling will not change, at least not within the next 3-5 years


I deal with several public school groups numerous times during the year, in a volunteer role. These are regular schools, not Magnets.

If people could see the "quality" of the teachers of these classes, they would be appalled.

But hey, if you've got your kid in a Magnet, no problem. You got yours right?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133722 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:35 pm to
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BR schooling will not change, at least not within the next 3-5 years.
I think you're wrong there. I believe the BRACC got the piss scared out of it with this SG incorporation drive and the businesses are going to work to force out the Vereta Lee's on the school board (that's assuming she's not indicted within the next few months.)

Change is already happening. If we can get the legislative bills passed to truncate the size of the EBR school board, that will go a long way to making it easier to get positive changes passed.

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and the same frick ups that are currently running this city will avoid addressing the schools at all costs because they have no idea how to fix them, nor have any inclination to fix them, as long as they can act the way they do, and end up "winning" in the end.
And if good people all adopt your mentality, you're right, there will be no changes. *sigh*
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133722 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:36 pm to
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No, I think they were informed there would be zero support for maintenance of the roads and other infrastructure necessary for them to be successful.
I am so disappointed in you. Maybe wiki was right about you.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41900 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:56 pm to
Good info Mick, I knew the main hospital and campus were in the city so I suspected it had to be satellite properties that were not.

FWIW, those circles touch, but the actual properties do not touch.

OLOL doesn't touch BRGH and BRGH doesn't touch the Mall of La.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41900 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:03 pm to
I do not share your optimism Russian, we've run through Supt. after Supt., we've passed additional property taxes, and we're seeing things emerge now every day indicting the present school administration.

I think certain people believe it's their school system, and screw those who try and take it away from them. They placate a lot of people with their Magnet and Gifted programs so they can keep power and the status quo.

These people are really afraid that if the right people took over the school system, many of the present teachers would be replaced almost immediately with better teachers, principals, etc.

It is really a bad situation unfolding with this last scandal.

The smart money would let the status quo keep the inner city schools, and let the Brownings out there start a new system of their own.

If that happened, we'd see a boom on the south and East sides, the money would spread to the city and we'd all be way better off. People would not have to move to Ascension, Livingston, Zachary or Central to find a good, safe school. They could stay in the parish and be closer to their jobs and have neighborhood schools that way.

It would be a win for the parish and a win for everyone if one day the status quo in the school system would finally put the kids first; but that's not happening.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133722 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:03 pm to
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but the actual properties do not touch.

OLOL doesn't touch BRGH and BRGH doesn't touch the Mall of La.
And?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41900 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

And?


That's why they are annexing the RR tracks because there's no way to get all the property holders between the OLOL and the BRGH on board.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133722 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:09 pm to
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there's no way to get all the property holders between the OLOL and the BRGH on board.
"They" don't have to get "all" the property holders to request to be annexed, just 50%+.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:10 pm to
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The rest, will move out of the Parish. Which I'm sure will make Kip Holden very happy.


Yes, the African-American Mayor-President who during his second election received a higher percentage of votes from the very area being discussed than north BR.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:12 pm to
That was a great takedown of the typical Kip hater.
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