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Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Per the article,
The article doesn’t include the video. Do you have the link?
ETA: ah, it’s satire.
quote:
In a video circulated online
The article doesn’t include the video. Do you have the link?
ETA: ah, it’s satire.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:07 am to Jorts R Us
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:13 am to anc
I don’t believe there is a justification for barring the parents from taking the Italians up on their offer.
Terrible situation.
Terrible situation.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:51 am to anc
When a nation votes for socialist healthcare they are letting the government treat their lives as algorithms. Treating Alfie hurts their bottom line. I disagree with it whole heartily but at least i can see their logic and that this is the inevitable path that socialized medicine will take. What is completely baffling to me is that they denied the right of his parents to leave the country to seek treatment elsewhere at no cost to Britain.
Socialist countries always end up pointing guns inward at their own citizens. you can't have a socialist utopia if everybody leaves.
Why are you asking liberals to explain this?
Socialist countries always end up pointing guns inward at their own citizens. you can't have a socialist utopia if everybody leaves.
Why are you asking liberals to explain this?
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:57 am to anc
Perhaps this question should be addressed to the English Conservative Party, which is the party in charge after all.
Perhaps they are just like conservatives here and don't want people to have access to healthcare.
Perhaps they are just like conservatives here and don't want people to have access to healthcare.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:59 am to BBONDS25
Going to really look bad if this kid makes it a few days on just water.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:03 am to anc
Liberals only care about lives of children when they are being murdered by white men with guns.
Look at the history, it's been proven over and over again.
Look at the history, it's been proven over and over again.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:13 am to TBoy
quote:
Perhaps they are just like conservatives here and don't want people to have access to healthcare.
this sort of thing is the inevitable outcome of socialized healthcare. The government is treating him like an algorithm...it hurts their bottom line.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:16 am to TBoy
Let's see all the receipts where you voluntarily helped someone with their health care expenses.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:21 am to ctalati32
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Also, if you don't think there are cases in this country where kids are screwed over by private insurance and die as a result you've got your head in the sand.
You always hear this argument, and yet never see an actual example - because it's largely fiction.
On the other hand, we currently have a shining example of the problems/evils of socialized medicine. We also frequently see similar scenarios occur to our north in the pretentious country of Canada.
I sure hope conservatives jump on this and put the fear of God in the American populace.
It has long been my hope that leftist ideas destroy Europe first while we take notes from across the ocean and decide to go a better direction.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:26 am to anc
BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS HE CAN'T!
OBEY!
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I've always loved Italy the best of all EU countries.
that's so awesome
This has confirmed and cemented that belief.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:30 pm to TBoy
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Perhaps they are just like conservatives here and don't want people to have access to healthcare.
When progressives say "access" they mean "free".
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:32 pm to TBoy
quote:
Perhaps this question should be addressed to the English Conservative Party, which is the party in charge after all.
Perhaps they are just like conservatives here and don't want people to have access to healthcare.
Lord knows you suck at actually answering a question
you are doing great at instead deflecting to a different issue entirely, so kudos for that
can you at least admit that this is a massive overreach of government power? Based on the thread over on the OT on this issue, it seemed everyone was at least on board with that.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:42 pm to Blob Fish
quote:quote:
Also, if you don't think there are cases in this country where kids are screwed over by private insurance and die as a result you've got your head in the sand.
You always hear this argument, and yet never see an actual example - because it's largely fiction.
On the other hand, we currently have a shining example of the problems/evils of socialized medicine. We also frequently see similar scenarios occur to our north in the pretentious country of Canada.
I sure hope conservatives jump on this and put the fear of God in the American populace.
It has long been my hope that leftist ideas destroy Europe first while we take notes from across the ocean and decide to go a better direction.
An example: I had a patient with severe scoliosis that she couldn't cough properly to clear her secretions. She required home suction and a vest which produced an artificial cough so she could clear those secretions. Her machine malfunctioned and needed to be replaced. Her insurance has changed at one point prior to the malfunction but never had a lapse in coverage. The current insurance said they wouldn't repair or replace the machine as the old insurance bought it. The old insurance said it's not their problem because she isn't on their policy anymore. Family went back and forth between the two companies to get this needed therapy for their kids. Regardless she went weeks without her equipment. She ended up developing a pneumonia became hypoxic went into cardiopulmonary arrest. In the ER they were able to get her pulse back but she had been hypoxic for so long she developed hypoxic encephalopathy (severe brain swelling) her brain swelled so much it didn't fit in her skull and she herniated her brain stem. That pressure left her brain dead.
These things happen. They don't always make the news.
Also this isn't a problem of socialized medicine. It's a UK issue that the court can decide on what is in the best interest of a child over parental wishes. Notice how you don't see this happen in other countries with socialized medicine.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:57 pm to celltech1981
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this sort of thing is the inevitable outcome of socialized healthcare. The government is treating him like an algorithm...it hurts their bottom line.
Their laws should definitely be amended. I would expect much public support for an Alfie Evans amendment.
Their laws do allow parents to choose medical care. But their laws also take the position that when a doctor disagrees, the decision is settled in court where both sides present evidence to a judge.
They also need to give parents another right - the freedom to take custody of their own child.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:06 pm to anc
6.52PM Brit time: Court of Appeals has denied the parents the option of taking the child to Italy. 
Has to stay in Britain to die. SMH....
Has to stay in Britain to die. SMH....
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:08 pm to Mahootney
This is why the 2nd amendment is necessary. These people aren't even free to provide care to their dying children because the government wants to dictate what they can and can't do.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:45 pm to anc
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The Italian embassy in London has informed the UK if they let him die, then they will file a formal complaint with the EU for the state murder of an Italian citizen.
I say we give him American citizenship and go get the little guy. I can take 1 team in and have him out of there inside of 15 minutes.
Just. Say. The. Word...
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