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Posted on 4/5/26 at 12:05 pm to SlidellCajun
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Consider that the bible wasnt put together for hundreds of years after Jesus’ death and then there is the period before his death
None of which is any of my business. That's up to Jesus.
Also, while the Bible as we know it didn't exist (as you mentioned) the holy spirit was around and doing work!
Read the book of Acts. The book of Acts tells about the acts of the Apostles after Jesus death and resurrection. It demonstrates how Jesus's followers acted out what they understood Jesus to have taught.
Their acts must have been incredible (Peter healed a cripple in the first chapters of Acts). This is how the movement was described:
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Acts 17:6
New King James Version
6 But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some brethren to the rulers of the city, crying out, “These who have turned the world upside down have come here too.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 12:25 pm to RoyalWe
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“No man knows how bad he is till he has tried very hard to be good.”
What is good in this case? Give an example. I don't see how I fail to do good in the moment. I do what seems right to me at that time and that's that.
I still don't see what damnation has to do with all of that in any case. It seems to be a double bind to also say, if you believe in Jesus, then you'll live forever. That seems odd. What is it that you should believe about Jesus in this regard? It just doesn't make sense to me why it's even needed.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 12:26 pm to CrystalPreserves
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Maga people are not Christians.
Why single out MAGA people?
I will admit that a lot of MAGA people are highly misguided. But… at least they don’t believe in all the degenerate, decadent, & highly corrupt liberal ideology that has taken over a large percentage of this nation.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 12:26 pm to RoyalWe
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This is not accurate. His apostles wrote many of the books in the New Testament.
Books were written but the bible wasnt put together for hundreds of years AD. That’s just the truth. And not only that but the bible wasnt legible for most of the world as it was put together in Latin.
I have a hard time accepting that anyone not fluent in Latin was doomed
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 4/5/26 at 12:34 pm to masoncj
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From the catholic catechism
, people who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel but sincerely seek God and strive to do His will as known through their conscience may achieve eternal salvation. However, the Church maintains the obligation to evangelize, as salvation is ultimately mediated by Christ
I'm not disagreeing with it, nobody truly knows. Not the Catholic Church nor anyone else.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 1:19 pm to dickkellog
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i'd like to see that!
Are you sure that YOU want to see that?
"because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” Acts 17:31
Posted on 4/5/26 at 1:47 pm to theballguy
Everything you are doubting and treating with cynicism can be answered in one word: FAITH.
Not here to 'convince' you, it's all between you and GOD. Eternity depends on that conversation. Good luck!
Not here to 'convince' you, it's all between you and GOD. Eternity depends on that conversation. Good luck!
Posted on 4/5/26 at 1:50 pm to masoncj
The catechism is NOT the Bible. It was put together over many years by the religious employed by the RCC.
I think it's extremely important to keep that difference in mind. Just like the Book of Mormon is NOT the Bible and is NOT the word of God, so is the catechism.
I think it's extremely important to keep that difference in mind. Just like the Book of Mormon is NOT the Bible and is NOT the word of God, so is the catechism.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 1:55 pm to lake chuck fan
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From the catholic catechism
, people who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel but sincerely seek God and strive to do His will as known through their conscience may achieve eternal salvation. However, the Church maintains the obligation to evangelize, as salvation is ultimately mediated by Christ
This does not square up with "you must be born again" or that Jesus said he was the "way, truth and life, in which no one comes to the father except through him."
If someone sincerely seeks God then I feel confident that God will reveal his son to that person in some way so they can believe and be saved. He can do it through dreams or visions perhaps, but no one goes to heaven except by believing in Jesus for salvation and everlasting life.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 6:58 pm to theballguy
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What is good in this case?
When C. S. Lewis talks about “trying very hard to be good,” he doesn’t mean “do what feels right in the moment.” Most of us already pass that standard.
He means holding yourself to a standard you don’t control — something like:
Never lie (even when it costs you).
Never act out of selfishness.
Always put others first.
Never harbor resentment, pride, or lust.
Not just occasionally, but consistently. Try that seriously for a week.
People don’t fail because they lack information. They fail because something in them resists it. That’s the point.
As for Christianity, it’s not saying you’re condemned for “not trying hard enough.” It’s saying your best isn’t actually the standard.
And if the problem is internal — something broken in us — then the solution can’t just be trying harder. It has to be something that actually changes us. That’s where the Holy Spirit comes in.
If you don’t feel that tension, it’s worth asking whether you’re testing yourself against a real standard — or just your own.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:00 pm to SlidellCajun
quote:I do too, and I don't believe that's the case.
I have a hard time accepting that anyone not fluent in Latin was doomed
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:21 pm to theballguy
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I agree with a lot of the politics from many board posters here but I still don't get the "save" thing. Why do people think they need to be saved? Saved from what?
There is no proof of what happens when a person dies and far less that there is some kind of heaven or hell. Why do people need to believe in a heaven or hell or even after life? I know most of you do but it makes no sense to me.
To me, the Bible is a spiritual book that can be helpful for your life here and perhaps give one hope if they need it.
If there is one, great. If there's not, I was fine before I was born and expect to be just fine afterwards.
Willing to listen if someone can convince one otherwise but so far, that hasn't happened.
Start your quest for Truth with the fundamental question every mentally curious and capable person asks at some point in their lifetime.
Why am I here in this undefinable reality?
Then follow up with,
How did this undefinable reality come to be?
Now, walk out into a quiet place in God's creation, find a place to sit and relax and and ponder those questions with an open mind and an open heart. Humble yourself and ask the Creator to speak and reveal to your heart and mind who He is and why He desires a relationship with you, because He does......but He will not chase you or force you into a relationship. You have the free will to ask, seek and knock. Do you have the curiosity to want to know the Truth?
I would also suggest reading the Gospel of John a couple of times with an open heart and mind and see if the Holy Spirit doesn't make its presence known friend.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:24 pm to Luke
POTUS Trump is proof that Jesus loves the USA and wants our country to be Saved.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:35 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Everything you are doubting and treating with cynicism can be answered in one word: FAITH.
Not here to 'convince' you, it's all between you and GOD.
This is such a weak argument for anyone struggling with faith. Why is belief in something a virtue to begin with? This is the framework that permits a serial killer to repent and earn salvation while a man who strives to do right every single day is damned for not having belief. Why? Because being credulous is the true test of one's metaphysical worth? It's ridiculous and it's not helping anyone to come to your side.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:46 pm to SlidellCajun
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I’m a follower of Jesus but will readily admit that I struggle with the belief that there is only one path to heaven and it’s through Christianity and the belief in Jesus as the son of god. Consider that the bible wasnt put together for hundreds of years after Jesus’ death and then there is the period before his death so if I subscribe to the belief that the ONLY way to heaven is through Christianity then I would also have to believe that many millions of people didn’t make it to heaven solely because they had no clue who Jesus was either pre or post death… I struggle with that
Honestly, these are good questions that I’m glad you’re having. I find that my times of highest growth in my faith have come from asking tough questions. If I may, it seems like the two main questions you have would be 1) how were people saved before Jesus came?
2) what about people who never hear the gospel?
Would that be the main tension points for you in a nutshell?
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:49 pm to Tigerlaff
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This is the framework that permits a serial killer to repent and earn salvation while a man who strives to do right every single day is damned for not having belief.
Just a heads up, this is a misrepresentation of how salvation works. Yes, if a serial killer truly repents, he can be forgiven. In one sense, I suppose you can say a man is damned for a lack of faith but really, we are damned because of our sin. The sin is the terminal illness. Not having belief is more like refusing the antidote. If a man is truly good, he will inherit heaven. Problem is that none of us are good.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:57 pm to Luke
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Let us speak truthfully, there is but one man that can save you…
Cade Arrambide! May we all walk in his grace.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:00 pm to masoncj
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people who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel but sincerely seek God and strive to do His will as known through their conscience may achieve eternal salvation. However, the Church maintains the obligation to evangelize, as salvation is ultimately mediated by Christ
So a missionary goes to an island. Binga Binga is a decent guy for the most part, tries to do right, but what the missionary says doesn't add up to him. He's fricked. The missionary doesn't make it to the next island over, where Malo Malo, also a decent guy for the most part, gets a pass because he never heard the word. Seems like you'd be better off not hearing the gospel and taking your chances.
I'm not trying to be contentious, but for every argument there's a counter argument, no matter how great the theologian was who came up with it. You can't logically arrive at religious belief. It comes down to faith. Either you have it or you don't.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:01 pm to theballguy
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What is good in this case? Give an example. I don't see how I fail to do good in the moment. I do what seems right to me at that time and that's that. I still don't see what damnation has to do with all of that in any case. It seems to be a double bind to also say, if you believe in Jesus, then you'll live forever. That seems odd. What is it that you should believe about Jesus in this regard? It just doesn't make sense to me why it's even needed.
Good, according to Christian doctrine is 100% holiness. Never doing anything wrong. Not holding malice against another, not lashing out in anger, not lusting, not being dishonest, etc. “Good”, biblically speaking, is complete and total perfection.
As far as damnation goes, human souls are eternal, meaning that every human will spend eternity somewhere. We don’t just disappear. God, being entirely just, must punish sin. If he doesn’t punish sin, he isn’t a righteous judge, just as a judge that doesn’t enforce the law on earth is corrupt. Since we all have fallen short of “good”, we are all 100% guilty in the eyes of the law.
Where believing in Jesus comes in, or “being saved” to put it another way, is trusting not in our own goodness to excuse our sins but instead to trust in him for our salvation. We are not pleading not guilty on our own account, we plead not guilty because we trust that Jesus has paid in full the penalty of our sin for us. In that way, we are saved from what we have earned and deserve and instead receive God’s grace because of our belief or trust in what Christ has done.
Christian doctrine states that we will all be judged for our sin before a righteous and holy God. Imagine it this way, imagine going to trial for murder and your defense is “your honor, look at all of these other days I didn’t kill anyone! That should be good enough to cancel out my bad, right? It was just one day after all!”
The judge would rightfully tell you that the fact that you walked an old lady across the street doesn’t excuse your murder charge. Instead, Christians don’t plead our own innocence, we recognize our own failure and put all of our trust in Jesus.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 8:04 pm
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