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re: Let me get this straight, the main reason we are doing this is to bring more jobs to US?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:15 am to RollTide4547
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:15 am to RollTide4547
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There are lots of people working jobs (food service for example) that they would gladly leave for a manufacturing job.
Then apply for one of the 460k open jobs
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Can't believe I'm typing this, but for once I agree with you. Cut the welfare teat and people will go to work
Then cut welfare
quote:We have been in a trade war since the end of WWII. We've just been losing.
No trade war necessary
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:16 am to geauxcoco
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Why do we need more jobs when we have the lowest unemployment rate in the world and just had an absolute stellar jobs report? The government now wants our country to just work hard instead of smart? Help me understand. Those are very low paying jobs. The only people who will want those jobs he’s deporting left and right. Right now all that’s happening is money is going out of Americans pockets and going straight into the federal government.
manufacturing is low paying jobs?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:16 am to geauxcoco
It's not just about jobs. Unfair tariffs against US consumers force our taxpayers to fund other country's governments. What's wrong with fighting for fair trade and using the spending power of the US to negotiate?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
This isn’t about jobs, it’s about not relying on China for everything we need. Most of these factories will be run by robots. That’s clearly stated every time the Trump administration talks about this
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:17 am to Pettifogger
I appreciate your response, this is what I’m looking for.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:17 am to El Segundo Guy
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Uncouple ourselves from China. If China goes unchecked, they will kick our arse within 25 years without firing a bullet. If that means higher prices for your plastic Chinese trinkets, then oh well.
I like the sound of this.
But Trade wars and bullying our neighbors and friends into doing more trade deals with China doesn’t help that cause though….
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I like my job and it pays really well.
Then apply for one of the 460k open jobs
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:20 am to jrodLSUke
I just don’t understand why we can’t have free trade.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Right
Again, the point of these tariffs seems to change with the wind, even within Trump’s own administration
It’s either 5-D chess negotiating art of the deal or “we needed a hard reset and the tariffs are permanent” based on who you ask
It can’t be both
Again, the point of these tariffs seems to change with the wind, even within Trump’s own administration
It’s either 5-D chess negotiating art of the deal or “we needed a hard reset and the tariffs are permanent” based on who you ask
It can’t be both
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:22 am to geauxcoco
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we have the lowest unemployment rate in the world
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Help me understand
I shall try.
Previous presidents have overinflated out government in order to create government jobs with the intent of artificially lowering the unemployment numbers. We have seen a precipitous drop-off in manufacturing the last 2 decades, so now we have severe problem of not being self sustainable. Trump isn't talking about bringing in "more jobs" to the US; he's specifically been speaking at "manufacturing jobs." This resolves two problems: it fixes our manufacturing issue as well as creates real jobs for people that are not government ones.
If you want to see a real world example of the problem just look at the COVID crisis. We had a massive shortage of gloves and PPE products. Why? They are manufactured in China. If we were to suffer any sort of crisis again, then we could be cut off from the rest of the world and be in a really bad spot.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:22 am to geauxcoco
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All of you guys here today want to quit your Cush job today and go work in a factory?
I don't know you but this statement is very suggestive of your personality.
The country we have today including the greatest economy the world has ever seen, was built on the backs of guys who clocked in an out on the whistle. Self worth, pride, work ethic, integrity, and livelihoods are built in factories. Not just whatever product is getting loaded on the train.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:23 am to TigerDoc
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Keep in mind he's not doing this because of current conditions. He's doing it because he says he's held these views for 30 years and in Trump 1, people like Gary Cohn were around to stop him, but in Trump 2, they're not. So we get this. From Trump 1:
I agree with this but what I think what Gary Cohn fails to see is that service economy jobs (doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers, hair dressers, etc.) don't exist without a major sector adding value to the overall economy. We do that by making stuff.
With that said we still make stuff in the U.S. However manufacturing is just flat. Here is some info to chew on:
First, Industrial Production: Manufacturing (NAICS): This index measures the real output of manufacturing establishments in the U.S., providing insights into production trends over time.
We have been flat since 2014.
Next, Producer Price Index by Industry: Total Manufacturing Industries: This index monitors changes in selling prices received by domestic producers for their output, indicating inflationary trends within manufacturing. Printing money is the driver behind this chart.
Lastly, All Employees, Manufacturing: This series tracks the number of employees in the manufacturing sector, reflecting employment trends and labor market health within the industry. Can tariffs increase this number? Looks like a a lot of manufacturing jobs were replaced by technology because manufacturing output remains steady has manufacturing employment has declined since its peak in 1980.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:24 am to Midget Death Squad
This is why chyna is fighting so hard against it.
We must un-couple.
We must un-couple.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:25 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:Not sure about where you live, but they seem to be self deporting from my area. They may just be leaving my red state and not the country, but there definitely fewer at my local walmart. Under biden, native english speakers would be the minority (by a long shot) whenever my wife and I went. Now, there might be 3 or 4 in the entire store.
They're not going anywhere.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:27 am to RollTide4547
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We have been in a trade war since the end of WWII. We've just been losing.
Losing? WTF
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:27 am to GumboPot
And manufacturing jobs will continue to be increasingly automated. This policy will make things more expensive, lose us service jobs, and not be compensated by what we pick up. It's a loser policy.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:27 am to NashvilleTider
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This isn’t about jobs, it’s about not relying on China for everything we need.
That's really dumb, then.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:28 am to Pettifogger
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I'm not convinced on the utility of the current tariff strategy, but you're also not considering that we could replace existing, less useful jobs with new, more useful jobs.
I don't even know if this current disruption is all about creating more jobs at home. That might be a side goal but when we look back the primary goal may be is to foment a laobaixing revolution in China to topple the CCP.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 9:28 am to RollTide4547
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I like my job and it pays really well.
The comment was for the people who would love to work a manufacturing job. They can. There are 460k+ open slots TODAY they can apply for.
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