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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Four second confrontation. Four seconds. From the end of the first until Dolloff enters from the right off screen. Why did he even get involved? He was there to protect his client.
He did not unholster the weapon until AFTER he had been hit in the head with enough force to send his hat and glasses flying.
Confrontation until shooting off screen
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Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:24 pm to auggie
quote:I think this is a fairly reasonable take. We all understand the “If it bleeds it leads” mantra. It quickly got away from him and he did not have adequate training or experience to handle the escalation.
auggie
Four seconds from the first confrontation to the fatal gunshot.
Four seconds.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:24 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Academically, that is an interesting question, but I am not sure it has much legal relevance.
The key issue that continues to be missed. Why did Dolloff engage him?
Let’s say that Dolloff made 300,000 tactical mistakes and/or errors in judgment that put him in the position of getting slapped upside the head by the ultimate decedent. The same could be said of young Kyle Rittenhouse. None of those errors are really relevant to the question of whether his response to the physical assault and subsequent gassing were reasonable.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:24 pm to auggie
quote:100% the journo had on his riot outfit and two cell phones.
My take on this: Dolloff's client was there to catch some action. Dolloff was going to increase the odds of that happening, by delaying the victim's retreat, but then he got bitch slapped, and the whole dynamic changed.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:24 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
but could nonetheless give rise to reasonable fear of bodily harm.
So I can shoot someone who pokes me with a toothpick if I think that person might cause me further bodily harm by continuing to poke me?
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:24 pm to ninthward
Question for the board: What was on the victim’s shirt? It appeared to be BLM, but may have also included an anti-BLM message. I can’t make it out.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:25 pm to 88Wildcat
quote:Great point, but you'll have to convince a Jury that you thought you were going to receive great bodily harm or your life was in imminent threat in Louisiana. If I'm on that Jury then it wasn't justified unless they can provide something else to hang their case on.
How are you going to do a chemical analysis over what he is spraying you with before deciding the level of danger you are in? You don't know if he is spraying you with mace, water, nerve gas, battery acid, or anything else that you don't know whether or not he is capable of getting a hold of.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:26 pm to AggieHank86
Putting the lead up to this incident aside, was this security guard licensed and bonded? That's a usual requirement under state law.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:26 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Academically, that is an interesting question, but I am not sure it has much legal relevance.
It absolutely does because if you had any firearm training then you would know the first rule is to avoid confrontation. He did a disservice to his client and he killed someone.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:27 pm to AggieHank86
The standard is if a reasonable person would fear for their life.
Clearly getting slapped after your failed attempt at robbing the victim does not come close to this as the victim was even moving away.
Clearly getting slapped after your failed attempt at robbing the victim does not come close to this as the victim was even moving away.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:28 pm to AggieHank86
It is not an academic question. If he has assumed professional duties he has professional responsibilities. One of them is the safety of his client. Part of that is deescalation. He transitioned to deadly force immediately. Properly trained he would have secured his client (his first responsibility) and retreated (his best tactical choice - he had plenty of room to maneuver and a responsibility to do so). His training records (if he has any training) will indicate that.
He is going to prison.
He is going to prison.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:32 pm to Wolfhound45
So if this shooter was a body guard then the victim was in a verbal altercation with the media person the rent-a-cop was protecting? WTH is a media person doing confronting protesters to start with. Once they do that they are no longer reporting the news, they are part of the news.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:34 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:Reasonableness is usually a question for a jury.
So I can shoot someone who pokes me with a toothpick if I think that person might cause me further bodily harm by continuing to poke me?
No, I doubt you could convince a jury that a pinprick from a toothpick placed you in reasonable fear for your safety.
Contrast that with a physical assault with enough force to knock-off your hat and glasses, followed within about one second by a loud pop and a sudden cloud of unknown gas. Yeah, I can sell that one.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:34 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:Not enough time for that to happen. It would have to have been only the victim and the security guard. Under four seconds from confrontation to pistol shot.
verbal altercation with the media person
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:36 pm to AggieHank86
quote:This is retaliation. Where was his life in danger?
Contrast that with a physical assault with enough force to knock-off your hat and glasses, followed within about one second by a loud pop and a sudden cloud of unknown gas. Yeah, I can sell that one.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:36 pm to MI3
quote:Does anyone not believe you can die from someone swinging a skateboard into your head? I can absolutely imagine blunt force trauma (especially from a wheel/axle). Do you really believe this is not possible or even likely?
your side already claimed a skateboard was a deadly weapon
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:36 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:
Denver Police Dept.
@DenverPolice
UPDATE: Matthew Dolloff (DOB 03-07-1990) is being held for Investigation of First Degree Murder in connection w/the shooting that occurred yesterday at 10 W. 14th Ave. This remains an active investigation; any additional updates will be released as it becomes available. #Denver
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:37 pm to omegaman66
quote:Re-read the statute.
The standard is if a reasonable person would fear for their life.
It has two prongs. One is that which you describe (objective reasonableness). The other is subjective belief. Either will invoke legitimate self defense.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:38 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Reasonableness is usually a question for a jury.
Well in this instance it definitely was decided by the shooter.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:39 pm to AggieHank86
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