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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:12 am to CheEngineer
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:12 am to CheEngineer
No. It’s a waste of time.
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Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:12 am to CheEngineer
quote:
This is very similar to the brooks shooting. The taser would be considered non lethal but it is what comes next that gives the reasonable fear
Both the taser and pepper spray incapacitate the victim leading the victim to fear for worse. This is just the case of two dumbasses meeting and getting dumbass actions.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:14 am to jrodLSUke
quote:You are on the right path, but read that statute again
It’s going to be tough to argue that deadly force was the only option for the shooter
quote:the case will not turn upon objective facts seen in hindsight, but rather upon whether the shooter’s interpretation was reasonable based upon what was known to him at the time.
Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate
Like the Airsoft hypo
He experiences the following in rapid succession (fractions of a second)
1. He confronts a guy that he (arguably) thinks is a threat to the job he was hired to do, without drawing his weapon.
2. Said guy strikes him on the head, so he starts to draw his weapon. POSSIBLY he sees that said guy has SOMETHING in his other hand.
3. POP/BANG! Something explodes a few feet from him. He interprets it as an attack and fires his weapon in response to that threat.
That is how I would sell it to a jury, based upon the limited info now available. Details might change as facts develop.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:14 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Here is the Pinkerton Security Guard on his LinkedIn account.
Great job steering his client away from an incident as it was unfolding in front of him. A true professional.
Great job steering his client away from an incident as it was unfolding in front of him. A true professional.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:16 am to Wolfhound45
quote:Booked on 1st degree tells you all you need to know, I hope the widow sues the shite out of 9news, that loser journo, and Pinkerton.
Great job steering his client away from an incident as it was unfolding in front of him. A true professional.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:17 am to ninthward
Ill add this: if you own a business, are married and have a reasonable life dont go to these protests. Such a tragedy this had to happen.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:18 am to AggieHank86
quote:Wrong.
He confronts a guy that he (arguably) thinks is a threat to the job he was hired to do, without drawing his weapon.
The incident was occurring well in front of him. He turns and moves his client to a position where he can safely perform his duties.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:20 am to ninthward
This is the take home from this.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:20 am to Wolfhound45
quote:This is 100% correct he had no business confronting anyone his job was to protect, how do you protect someone, and not commit murder.
Wrong.
The incident was occurring well in front of him. He turns and moves his client to a position where he can safely perform his duties.
LEAVE THE LOCATION!
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:20 am to nerd guy
quote:
Both the taser and pepper spray incapacitate the victim leading the victim to fear for worse. This is just the case of two dumbasses meeting and getting dumbass actions.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:21 am to Wolfhound45
quote:And that is how the prosecution will try to sell the same set of facts.quote:Wrong.
He confronts a guy that he (arguably) thinks is a threat to the job he was hired to do, without drawing his weapon.
The incident was occurring well in front of him. He turns and moves his client to a position where he can safely perform his duties.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:45 am to jrodLSUke
Question for the board: What was on the victim’s shirt? It appeared to be BLM, but may have also included an anti-BLM message. I can’t make it out.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:47 am to AggieHank86
There will be no selling. If he is a licensed (or equivalent) security professional in the state of Colorado his training record (or lack thereof) is going to become a matter of public record. And he is going to be eviscerated.
Just a cursory review of the video show multiple tactical errors by him (client in front of and to his dominant hand which is creating a potential flagging situation, poor situational awareness of the unfolding confrontation, letting him go to the narrow/constricted part of the confrontation in front of him to the right, not steering him into the open, safer area to his left, becoming a part of the confrontation, not de-escalating et al).
He is looking at prison. Period.
Just a cursory review of the video show multiple tactical errors by him (client in front of and to his dominant hand which is creating a potential flagging situation, poor situational awareness of the unfolding confrontation, letting him go to the narrow/constricted part of the confrontation in front of him to the right, not steering him into the open, safer area to his left, becoming a part of the confrontation, not de-escalating et al).
He is looking at prison. Period.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:54 am to ninthward
quote:This part I disagree with. He is there to secure a client whose job is to cover the demonstrations. Conflict is a part of it. Position your client to safely cover it. Just the briefest of tactical assessments would have led him to move his client to the left to where he is not hemmed in and where he still can cover what is occurring.
LEAVE THE LOCATION!
What is not seen (but I believe will eventually come out - speculation on my part) is Dolloff went directly to the victim and verbally confronted him and the victim responded with a push (think of the personal foul flag in football, you always catch the second guy). That is when both drew their protective measures (mace versus a pistol).
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:55 am to AggieHank86
I agree with your outline on the defense’s approach. I don’t know if it will be successful, but I suppose that mostly depends on the jury.
Can you imagine if law stated that you could use deadly force against mace at these protests? There would be a trail of bodies.
Can you imagine if law stated that you could use deadly force against mace at these protests? There would be a trail of bodies.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:57 am to Wolfhound45
quote:
Here is the Pinkerton Security Guard on his LinkedIn account.
“Business Sales Appointment Setter”
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:59 am to Wolfhound45
I dont mean get in your car and drive away, at the minimum move to the other side of the sidewalk or street.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:01 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:Every wannabe Billy Baddass on both sides would flock to the protests just begging to get maced, so they could off some political opponents.
Can you imagine if law stated that you could use deadly force against mace at these protests? There would be a trail of bodies.
Darwin Awards to all present. Society wins.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:01 pm to ninthward
quote:They are going to burn it to the ground. Period.
Booked on 1st degree tells you all you need to know, I hope the widow sues the shite out of 9news, that loser journo, and Pinkerton.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:03 pm to ninthward
quote:Agreed. There was plenty of space to maneuver to the left and record (as several were doing) the confrontation. But I don’t think that was the intent of the “Pinkerton Security Guard” as he approached. Like our MSM, he made himself part of the story.
I dont mean get in your car and drive away, at the minimum move to the other side of the sidewalk or street.
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