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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:04 pm to CheEngineer
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:04 pm to CheEngineer
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This is very similar to the brooks shooting. The taser would be considered non lethal but it is what comes next that gives the reasonable fear. Also the initial slap will only help the defense.
It’s not very similar though, you have to look at the situation as a whole, not just pick similarities. In the Brooks situation he had already fought off two officers while resisting a lawful arrest, AND taken a weapon (taser) from one of them, which he then deployed. Brooks escalated at every opportunity.
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Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:04 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Absolutely agree.
Agreed. There was plenty of space to maneuver to the left and record (as several were doing) the confrontation. But I don’t think that was the intent of the “Pinkerton Security Guard” as he approached. Like our MSM, he made himself part of the story.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:05 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
quote:You are a freaking liar.
He was also absent on the day of deescalation training.
He audited that class.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:07 pm to AGreySlate
quote:No analogy is perfect. If it were perfect, it would cease to be an analogy and become an identity.quote:It’s not very similar though, you have to look at the situation as a whole, not just pick similarities. In the Brooks situation he had already fought off two officers while resisting a lawful arrest, AND taken a weapon (taser) from one of them, which he then deployed. Brooks escalated at every opportunity.
This is very similar to the brooks shooting. The taser would be considered non lethal but it is what comes next that gives the reasonable fear. Also the initial slap will only help the defense.
The analogy lies in the fact that neither weapon was objectively “deadly” but could nonetheless give rise to reasonable fear of bodily harm.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:08 pm to CheEngineer
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you could also say the guy that got shot should have just retreated from the area and not slapped or maced him.
The victim was already walking away from another confrontation, when the murderer made contact with him.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:10 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Disagree. I would argue that "reasonable fear of bodily harm" is not imminent grave danger.
The analogy lies in the fact that neither weapon was objectively “deadly” but could nonetheless give rise to reasonable fear of bodily harm.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:11 pm to auggie
quote:
This incident occurred beneath a city police surveillance camera and police confirmed they have footage of what happened.
Denver 9 News
Should be interesting footage when released
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:11 pm to auggie
quote:, and shot him after the pepper spray was used negating the argument he was in fear of danger or grave danger.
The victim was already walking away from another confrontation, when the murderer made contact with him.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:13 pm to auggie
quote:The key issue that continues to be missed. Why did Dolloff engage him? There is no rationale reason for the victim to shift his attention from the first confrontation to Dolloff. None.
The victim was already walking away from another confrontation, when the murderer made contact with him.
Or as Hank correctly pointed out in my crazy woman thread yesterday...
Context clues.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:14 pm to Wolfhound45
Also, why did he pull his gun? there was no reason to other than he wanted to shoot someone.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:15 pm to ninthward
quote:That is indeed the NEXT question(s):quote:Disagree. I would argue that "reasonable fear of bodily harm" is not imminent grave danger.
The analogy lies in the fact that neither weapon was objectively “deadly” but could nonetheless give rise to reasonable fear of bodily harm.
quote:
Did the shooter have a “reasonable (objective) ground to believe, and does (subjectively) believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of ... receiving great bodily injury.”
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:15 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Chans are undefeated.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:16 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
The analogy lies in the fact that neither weapon was objectively “deadly” but could nonetheless give rise to reasonable fear of bodily harm.
quote:
The analogy lies in the fact that neither weapon was objectively “deadly” but could nonetheless give rise to reasonable fear of bodily harm.
I understand that you’re attempting to bring up the point that it’s the shooters perception of a threat that is crucial here.
The analogy of this scenario however lies in whether in that given SITUATION (as opposed to focusing solely on the “weapon” at hand) the non-lethal “weapon” or encounter was reasonably suspected to lead to great bodily harm.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:18 pm to carguymatt
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What do we see in the pictures and videos? Victim quickly walks away from one argument to another. Allegedly the shooter initially tried to take the mace away. Then he gets slapped hard enough his ball cap flies off. The victim also had metal rings on all his fingers so if he punched him with a closed fist a few times he could of killed him. The shooter would of had reason to believe based on what we see, that his life or body or the life or body he was hired to protect, could have been in serious, or great danger.
I’ll assume you went to public school.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:18 pm to the808bass
quote:
Chans are undefeated.
They are a force
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:19 pm to ninthward
Correct. He was shoved and his hat and glasses where knocked off. This happened within three seconds of the other confrontation being terminated. Why did it escalate that quickly. Only Dolloff has a reason. The victim knows nothing about Dolloff who has been observing the entire thing and advancing forward him with his reporter in trail.
Twitter - initial confrontation and four seconds later he is shot off screen
Twitter - initial confrontation and four seconds later he is shot off screen
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:19 pm to ninthward
quote:Good Lord.
Also, why did he pull his gun? there was no reason to other than he wanted to shoot someone.
He did not unholster the weapon until AFTER he had been hit in the head with enough force to send his hat and glasses flying.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:19 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Could the shooter have deescalated the situation after his gun was pulled? Look at the photos.
Did the shooter have a “reasonable (objective) ground to believe, and does (subjectively) believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of ... receiving great bodily injury.”
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:21 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Why did he unholster the weapon? because he was slapped and then in fear of his life? Please, you're gonna try to sell that to a jury?
He did not unholster the weapon until AFTER he had been hit in the head with enough force to send his hat and glasses flying.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 12:21 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
The key issue that continues to be missed. Why did Dolloff engage him? There is no rationale reason for the victim to shift his attention from the first confrontation to Dolloff. None.
My take on this: Dolloff's client was there to catch some action. Dolloff was going to increase the odds of that happening, by delaying the victim's retreat, but then he got bitch slapped, and the whole dynamic changed.
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