re: LED light went out after 1 year

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One of my ceiling fans is like this. One of the four receivers will kill any bulb you put in it. It uses the smaller-base bulbs, so I am sill using incandescent in it.

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The 1st and 2nd gen Cree bulbs I had were crap. The Phillips bulbs I bought are all going strong. Pretty sure I've replaced every Cree bulb at least once and some twice. I said 12, but now that I think about it, probably closer to the 30s. 12 in the kitchen and living room all replaced half of them twice (flood style and dimmable), all in my bedroom (4), hallway (8), kids bathroom (4). Then as the other incandescents in the house burned out I put in Phillips, they have all been fine.

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The extra power they have to produce is barely noticeable. It's negligible as far as fuel consumed to produce the wasted power. The reason large customers are billed extra based on PF is because of the distribution equipment required to carry the current. They either need extra generation capacity, or they need to install capacitors, I believe. That equipment must be paid for.

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Wrong again idiot child. Here's a good little research paper on this topic concerning LED's and let's see if you read it and can extrapolate the very real-world concerns when millions of residential customers are switching over to LED bulbs.

Influence of LED lighting on PF pdf

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You started on this with the claim that a 9W LED bulb actually draws 12W, which is absolutely false. So then you moved on to PF as if to claim the power company has to generate and waste the extra 3W you claim, which is also false. Even an absolutely terrible PF of 0.2 would only result in less than 10% of extra capacity required, but LED bulbs are typically much better than that.

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Apparently you are too stupid to properly comprehend the plain written text of what I actually posted. I also just posted another example that is even worse. Notice that you didn't address that... Also, a PF of 0.7 (which is what these 9W bulbs have) means about 40% more power is required, you obviously suck at math as well as have a garbage understanding of this topic.

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I have noticed you keep ignoring this critical topic.[/quote

I haven't ignored it at all, I am simply addressing the environmental concerns which you are ignoring out of convenience. Having a sacred cow gored for a fart sniffing LWNJ must suck but you should be used to it by now.

[quote] I already told you that I have more than 80 LEDs around my house of various type and quality, and I have only replaced 2 of them in more than a year's time. I seriously have no idea what kind of idiot is required to use LED bulbs in a way that they die all the time.

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And I have pretty much all incandescents and have replaced exactly zero in the last year or more. I've replaced LEDs though and I've put these incandescents in their place.

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I don't currently have a stock of shitty burnt out LEDs like you apparently do, so I'm not about to waste one. You can, however, watch any of the numerous LED bulb teardowns on YouTube.

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I have intellectual honesty which you obviously don't....

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If you can't tell that it was a joke when I said make up your mind whether LEDs last 1 year or 500, then you've got way worse problems than I can help you with.

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Still crawfishing like a bitch.

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One of my ceiling fans is like this. One of the four receivers will kill any bulb you put in it. It uses the smaller-base bulbs, so I am sill using incandescent in it.

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yep, same EXACT problem. this happens on *2* of my ceiling fans in kids' rooms with 4 candelabra (small) size bulbs.

i bought 4 $6 'smart bulbs' from ikea hoping since i could dim them it would help with the problem but no. one of the 4 constantly jumps from 50% brightness to full brightness no matter what LED bulb goes in there and regardless of whether the ceiling fan is running or not.

oh and one of these is a brand new ceiling fan/light combo i bought at home depot last year.

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He just blocked a reg that would have further INCREASED the standards for incandescent bulbs.

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Increased standards? Dishonest way of putting it but typical of you. No, moronHank, the net result of those regulations would not better incandescents but fewer of them as importers would no longer do business in the US. Importers because there are now no remaining US manufacturers, not that you had a clue any existed anyway.

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Also, while the packaging states these a 9W bulbs intended for 60W replacement, the actual bulb draws over 170mA which is more than 20W. Over twice the real power rating on the box and if I figured up the PF this thing is probably drawing close to 28W. But Kork-sucker thinks he's getting a real good ROI...

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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If you actually did measure the current draw, then you've already got the PF. Why are you trying to factor it in twice?

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One of my ceiling fans is like this. One of the four receivers will kill any bulb you put in it. It uses the smaller-base bulbs, so I am sill using incandescent in it.

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yep, same EXACT problem. this happens on *2* of my ceiling fans in kids' rooms with 4 candelabra (small) size bulbs.

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What is your plan?

I am TIRED of replacing that one stupid bulb, and I am thinking about just installing a new light kit on that fan.

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so i guess i gotta look at whats on the same circuit or just throw the damn thing out for an integrated LED unit

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Computers, printer, etc...anything that consumes a few hundred Watts with a lower PF will cause them to flicker. See, a big reason why LED's don't often live up to their claimed hours is because not only are they themselves a producer of unwanted harmonics in electrical distribution, they are also receivers for it and the driver circuits only handle so much. I had LED's in a bathroom and hallway fixtures and they'd flicker horribly if I sent a document to my laser printer in the adjoining office. After a few months they started humming before finally dying out.

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Wrong again idiot child.

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Childish language right there.

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Here's a good little research paper on this topic concerning LED's and let's see if you read it and can extrapolate the very real-world concerns when millions of residential customers are switching over to LED bulbs.

Influence of LED lighting on PF pdf

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That paper proves me right. The problem with low PFs is that it must be compensated for with extra equipment. It is NOT a case of low PFs resulting in excess fuel consumed. In other words, a PF of 0.5 does NOT mean that twice as much fuel will be consumed vs. a load at unity.

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Apparently you are too stupid to properly comprehend the plain written text of what I actually posted.

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It would help if your plain written text made sense.

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I also just posted another example that is even worse. Notice that you didn't address that...

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I did.

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Also, a PF of 0.7 (which is what these 9W bulbs have) means about 40% more power is required, you obviously suck at math as well as have a garbage understanding of this topic.

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No, it means more current is required. That does NOT mean the power plant has to produce 40% more power or burn 40% more fuel. It just means they need equipment to compensate.

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And I have pretty much all incandescents and have replaced exactly zero in the last year or more.

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And you've spent the same amount of money on bulbs as I have, but you've paid at least 5X as much as I have in electricity, and you've paid extra in cooling costs.

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I have intellectual honesty which you obviously don't....

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You've done nothing but grasp at straws trying to make a bogus argument.

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Still crawfishing like a bitch.

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Ok bro

They are rated to last 20 years if you use them 3 hours a day. Use them more, they last less years.

I replaced all of my bulbs with LEDs when I moved in about 5 years ago. Out of about 40-50 bulbs I guess, I've replaced 3.

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maybe replacing the lighting at the bottom altogether is an option but not sure if they make universal kits.

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Depends upon the brand. Mine is a Hunter, and they sell light kits.