re: LED light went out after 1 year

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LED light bulbs are pretty new technology. The earlier gen ones were terrible but they have definitely gotten a lot better just over the last couple years. The best thing about them is the low load it puts on circuits to light room. Just buy a new one, they're cheaper now and chances are it will last longer.

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Yeah if it was 2010 I could maybe see the debate

Now I don't think it's really that much of a debate. You pay more up front but it will save you in the long run. And you won't be hassled with constantly changing bulbs.

nice melt loser

So mad

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How in the hell is using less energy worse for the grid and power plants?

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That's because your pea brain doesn't understand power factor and that LEDs consume more power than what you are being billed for. Power that the electrical company still has to supply though.

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And how are LEDs creating more landfill mass if they last 5+ times as long?

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They are supposed to last 25 to 50 times as long, thank you for acknowledging that claim is bogus...

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And as for the energy and material inputs to make them, I have some information for you that may come as a shock - both energy and materials cost money. It also happens that most items sell for more than they cost to make. Otherwise, well, you know. So if someone ever gives you some bullshite about such and such is "more energy/material intensive" to build, maybe ask them "by how much?" And then realize you can just look at the price and get a ballpark figure for yourself. That brings us back to the total lifetime costs to buy and operate, and payback time, which are heavily in favor of LEDs.

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The point I was making you shite-brained moron, is that LED bulbs create more waste and require more inputs which offsets a lot the supposed good they are doing. Average 60W incandescent weighs about 33g while a small, ceiling fan type LED bulb weighs nearly twice that. Materials in an incandescent are glass, brass, tungsten, and steel vs plastic, ceramics, rare earth metals in the driver circuitry, silicon, aluminum, and steel. Which do you think, in the millions, makes more of an impact in landfills? In a matter of years the incandescent will be crushed into dust, the metals oxidized into their orginal constituents, and be virtually non-existent. The LED bulb will be right next to the Styrofoam cup in 500 years. bullshite propaganda is what your low-info self has consumed, you and your pillow-biting buddy Powerman...

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I absolutely cannot say the same for incandescent bulbs. And neither can you.

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Actually I can, if you had read what I posted you'd notice I bought heavier duty incandescents and they last far longer.

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How many is "many cases"? In my experience fewer than 5% go out in under a year. And more sensitive to heat?! I guess it's lucky they only put out 1/6th as much heat. And what kind of third world power company do you have killing bulbs? I have seen far more incandescents burn out due to power issues than I have LEDs.

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Many, I replace them often enough that they are seldom worth the ROI unless in a few outdoor fixtures. There's no debate that LEDs are more sensitive to heat (and the base of an LED bulb gets to around 160F), and because they generate their heat in the base vs the glass globe, they get insulated in most settings which means they often cook themselves to death.

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Funny, I have some LED bulbs labeled 10W that I measured to draw exactly 10W each. I think they were Amazon branded, but I would expect any brand to be similar. You are just pulling more and more bullshite out of your arse.

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horseshite child, you measured them with what, an imaginary friend? What did you get as the PF?

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I had installed a power meter in my breaker panel.

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You installed a piece of unsensitive garbage... No wonder you don't know shite here.

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It is you that has never tested anything. You are just pulling shite out of your arse.

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Can't wait to prove how wrong you are child.

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Junior high insults

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You're at the bottom of the rubbish pile when it comes to morons here. Completely worthless in every conceivable way.

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You're a dumb piece of shite and everyone knows it

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Interesting

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0 factual info. 

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I checked this thread and you had the same factual info

I think it's past your bedtime. Wouldnt want you to be late for your 30k millionaire job

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That's because your pea brain doesn't understand power factor and that LEDs consume more power than what you are being billed for. Power that the electrical company still has to supply though.

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Jesus H. I guess we should just keep all our lights on 24/7 and blast the A/C on 55 all day to keep those power plants working at peak efficiency then, eh?

What exact type of moron are you?

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They are supposed to last 25 to 50 times as long, thank you for acknowledging that claim is bogus...

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I said 5 PLUS because in my own personal experience with hundreds of various types of LED lights, the vast majority of them have lasted 5 times longer than incandescents SO FAR. I have no interest in keeping track of whether they last 10, 20, or 50 times longer. Five times is WELL worth the cost considering the energy saved in that time.

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The point I was making you shite-brained moron, is that LED bulbs create more waste and require more inputs which offsets a lot the supposed good they are doing.

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You're going to have to define "a lot". Because I think you have absolutely zero idea what the actual difference in waste and inputs are. That's why I said you can refer to the cost difference to estimate, but that seems to have flown right over your head.

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Average 60W incandescent weighs about 33g while a small, ceiling fan type LED bulb weighs nearly twice that.

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Well, luckily the LED will last 5 PLUS times as long, putting the total weight of incandescent materials used over double LED material weight.

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Materials in an incandescent are glass, brass, tungsten, and steel vs plastic, ceramics, rare earth metals in the driver circuitry, silicon, aluminum, and steel. Which do you think, in the millions, makes more of an impact in landfills?

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I don't know, why don't you tell me? Oh, right, because you have zero actual facts and figures to back up your bunk arguments. Ceramics are pretty benign, and rare earth metals aren't all that rare or necessarily harmful. They came from the earth to begin with. Silicon is benign, aluminum degrades pretty quickly, and the steel used is probably less than in incandescents. The only "bad" thing is the plastic, and considering the amount used and how long they last, plus the potential to recycle, you're still just pulling more shite out your arse.

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In a matter of years the incandescent will be crushed into dust, the metals oxidized into their orginal constituents, and be virtually non-existent. The LED bulb will be right next to the Styrofoam cup in 500 years.

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First they don't last a year, now they last 500. Make up your mind!

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bullshite propaganda is what your low-info self has consumed

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This is rich.

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0 factual info

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What have you put up PowerBottom? Anything not from product packaging or a .gov website telling you what a good little dimwit you are for believing in them?


What wasn't factual in the info I've given? That LEDs weigh more and will contribute more significantly to landfill usage and will last in the environment for much longer? The fact that there are longer life incandescents; 6,000 - 10,000 hours that are more cost effective if not for government regulations? If all your simple mind looks at is your electricity bill then you are in no position to talk about anyone's info...

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Jesus H. I guess we should just keep all our lights on 24/7 and blast the A/C on 55 all day to keep those power plants working at peak efficiency then, eh?

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That's not how power factor works you clown... Not even in the same continent of what my point was.

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You're going to have to define "a lot". Because I think you have absolutely zero idea what the actual difference in waste and inputs are. That's why I said you can refer to the cost difference to estimate, but that seems to have flown right over your head.

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No I don't, I can look at the engineering and construction of these bulbs and tell which is taking more to build. You'd have to be blind as well as stupid not to see that

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Well, luckily the LED will last 5 PLUS times as long, putting the total weight of incandescent materials used over double LED material weight

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Except when they don't because can burn out in as little as a few weeks simply by being orientated the wrong way or put in a well sealed fixture. Heat kills the driver circuits.

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The only "bad" thing is the plastic, and considering the amount used and how long they last, plus the potential to recycle, you're still just pulling more shite out your arse.

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Your brain can't comprehend the scales involved here. Talking millions of bulbs and rare earth metals are often toxic, ever hear about e-waste problems? Of course not, you are a fricking retard or the product of retards that fricked. Potential to recycle? Who is doing that and where? I see bins for batteries at hardware stores but nothing about LED bulbs? Maybe they really aren't that recyclable, just another throw away commodity pimped by imbeciles too caught up in smellig their own farts.

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First they don't last a year, now they last 500.

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500 years is about how long Styrofoam is estimated to last in a landfill because it doesn't degrade easily. Just like plastic LED bulbs. It's like you are intentionally ignorant. Rich indeed...