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re: Jordan Peterson and Daughter are LCHF an the Establishment Hates It
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:56 am to cwill
Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:56 am to cwill
lets look at this chart shall we? this is when the FDA food guides (heavily influenced by ag industry) began to promote breads and grains the foundation for 'healthy eating'
if you hold your nose, this salon article actually is very informative showing how the bad science evolved throughout the 20th century.
the rise of margarines and crisco started this crisis.
1976 1976 1976 WHERE IT ALL WENT WRONG
Yeah i'm surprised salon let this article make it to print too.
if you hold your nose, this salon article actually is very informative showing how the bad science evolved throughout the 20th century.
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When hydrogenation, which converts liquid vegetable oils into soft solids, was invented in the early 1900s, margarine became cheaper and easier to produce. It continued to be sold as a cheap substitute for butter, but it was strongly opposed by the dairy industry, for obvious reasons. The industry particularly objected to the use of yellow dye to make the unattractive white margarine look even more tempting than real butter. Margarine gradually caught on as a cheap butter substitute, even though it didn’t really taste much like butter. However, when the saturated fat in butter was named public enemy number one for heart disease, margarine began to be touted as a healthier substitute.
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Something very similar happened with lard, once a staple fat for cooking. Scarcity, expense, and adulteration were problems with lard. When a solid white shortening known as Crisco became available in 1911, it caught on quickly. That it, like margarine, was very high in trans fats wasn’t seen as a problem until decades later.
And then a highly respected researcher named Ancel Keys said that he had proved the link from saturated fat to heart disease based on his study of the diets of people in seven countries around the world.
the rise of margarines and crisco started this crisis.
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After the war, Dr. Keys turned his attention to heart disease. He thought that high cholesterol levels were a good predictor of heart disease and that dietary fat, especially the saturated fat found in animal foods such as meat and cheese, was bad for the heart. To prove his point, he became the lead researcher in a massive study of dietary patterns around the world that came to be called the Seven Countries Study. This study, begun in 1955, put the American diet onto the misguided path we’re still on today. Although Dr. Keys had the best of intentions and didn’t have the industry ties so many scientists have today, his work fed right into the hands of Big Agra and Big Pharma.
Ancel Keys sent everyone’s focus off in the wrong direction. The pharmaceutical companies and the USDA capitalized on this, and the result is that Americans are fat. Not because they’re eating fat, but because they aren’t. This is an extremely important point, but most of my patients don’t get it. Many of my patients don’t understand that their weight problems and illnesses are caused not by the fat in their diets but by the massive amounts of sugar and unrefined carbs they eat. They’ve been told for so long that fat is bad that they simply take it for granted as true.
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As the best hucksters know, never let the facts get in the way of a good story. The idea that saturated fat was bad for you was intuitively satisfying. After all, if you pour bacon fat down the drain you’ll clog it up. Wouldn’t it be the same for your arteries? And in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the renowned Dr. Keys was supposedly proving that fat was bad for you.
1976 1976 1976 WHERE IT ALL WENT WRONG
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That brings our story up to 1976 and the birth of official government guidelines for healthy eating. The Dietary Guidelines for Americans had their start in hearings held by Senator George McGovern’s Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs. This is the committee that looked into the serious problem of hunger in America and brought landmark legislation, such as the food stamp program, to the nation. As the committee’s work drew to an end, staffers decided to look at the other side of the issue: overnutrition and the role of diet in disease. Based on expert testimony from nutritionists who were convinced of the saturated fat–heart hypothesis, in 1977 the committee issued dietary recommendations that pushed for a sharp reduction in fat intake. They recommended limiting total fat intake to 30 percent of calories, of which no more than 10 percent should come from saturated fat. At that time, most Americans got about 40 percent of their calories from fat.
Yeah i'm surprised salon let this article make it to print too.
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:59 am to pleading the fifth
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Keto or Paleo (LCHF) diets are really great but can be difficult to sustain long term. When I did the paleo diet I usually kept it 80/20 paleo with some occasional heavy carbs. It’s still difficult to do because forgoing grains and dairy sucks. No pizza ever again? I don’t think so.
Its much easier long term than calorie counting. Have the pizza joint make a crustless pizza for you. They can make a pizza on wax paper with no dough and it's bomb. Hell even Little Caesars does it if you tell them how.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:01 am to SoulGlo
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:10 pm to Venelar
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Nothing plant based basically. Depending on activity lvl most people eat 2-3lbs of meat daily. No veggies, no fruit.
And no, no fiber is needed so they aren't chugging metamucil lol.
It has a huge Facebook following, lookup world carnivore tribe, or principia Carnivora. People have been eating this way for a long time.
You need some fiber for digestion...but avocado provides that. Broccoli and sweet potatoes have more vitamins and minerals than any food...they are very healthy. Rest of the diet looks good.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:23 pm to rds dc
I don't think people need to give up things they like eating. Its just as with most things in life, everything in moderation. And exercise more regularly, you lazy fricks!
Posted on 6/16/18 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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just got back on the wagon yesterday. lots of steak incoming!
I took a promotion and it came with a lot of stress. I turned to carbs. Fortunately I haven’t gained weight (yet) but I feel like hot garbage. I’m getting back to it Monday. 
Posted on 6/16/18 at 7:26 pm to Seldom Seen
I am convinced it's all genetic. This would explain the contradictory results of all these dietary studies. We know, for instance, that black Americans have a harder time with diabetes and heart disease. Since they eat the same foods everyone else does, I think it's reasonable to assume it's genetic. They didn't adapt to the European grain heavy diet.
Asian people cannot eat dairy (they don't have the gene for lactose tolerance). Cattle herding was a European thing - white folks adapted via natural selection to drink milk. Why? Because they found themselves living in a place with lots of wild horses and cattle (Steppe lands of Eastern Europe, Ukraine, Russia and areas around Black and Caspian seas). Archaeological digs have proved that they ate horses. At some point some ole baw got the idea to milk a horse and horse milk became a staple of their diet (they found dried horse milk in big jugs at these sites). Later they moved to cows and goats.
I think in the future we will identify all these genes and how they affect diet. Doctors will be able to tailor an optimal diet for every person.
Until then my philosophy is just to eat a balanced diet - meat and veggies. Vegetable eating appears to be ubiquitous among every ancient human population and there's never been a study showing them to be unhealthy.
Cholesterol, we know, is what causes clogged arteries. There's zero debate about that. Ask any heart surgeon what he sees when he opens up a heart. I hear a lot of keto people saying "but our body requires cholesterol for hormone production". This is true, but what they don't tell you is that your liver produces enough on its own regardless of diet.
Want proof cholesterol causes plaque buildup? Look up the rare disease called hypercholesterolemia. It is a disorder where the liver produces an abnormally high amount of cholesterol. Even if the patient is a vegan eating nothing but lettuce and blueberries, he still has a high chance of dying of heart disease (like a huge chance). Only way to control it is with meds.
But, again, my point is that it's genes. People with that disorder were born with it. They had shitty luck.
Asian people cannot eat dairy (they don't have the gene for lactose tolerance). Cattle herding was a European thing - white folks adapted via natural selection to drink milk. Why? Because they found themselves living in a place with lots of wild horses and cattle (Steppe lands of Eastern Europe, Ukraine, Russia and areas around Black and Caspian seas). Archaeological digs have proved that they ate horses. At some point some ole baw got the idea to milk a horse and horse milk became a staple of their diet (they found dried horse milk in big jugs at these sites). Later they moved to cows and goats.
I think in the future we will identify all these genes and how they affect diet. Doctors will be able to tailor an optimal diet for every person.
Until then my philosophy is just to eat a balanced diet - meat and veggies. Vegetable eating appears to be ubiquitous among every ancient human population and there's never been a study showing them to be unhealthy.
Cholesterol, we know, is what causes clogged arteries. There's zero debate about that. Ask any heart surgeon what he sees when he opens up a heart. I hear a lot of keto people saying "but our body requires cholesterol for hormone production". This is true, but what they don't tell you is that your liver produces enough on its own regardless of diet.
Want proof cholesterol causes plaque buildup? Look up the rare disease called hypercholesterolemia. It is a disorder where the liver produces an abnormally high amount of cholesterol. Even if the patient is a vegan eating nothing but lettuce and blueberries, he still has a high chance of dying of heart disease (like a huge chance). Only way to control it is with meds.
But, again, my point is that it's genes. People with that disorder were born with it. They had shitty luck.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 7:28 pm to TexasTiger80
In short, no you don't. It isn't a contest to see who poops the most.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:01 pm to Venelar
Haven't read through the previous 147 posts, but just let me say this: 3 weeks ago, I gave up sugar, and have kept my carbs count to less than 50 grams per day; doing this alone, and walking 2 miles per day, has resulted in a weight loss of more than 20 lbs.
But I'm paying 3Xs as much for groceries....ridiculous. It's almost as if I'm being penalized for eating healthy.
All of the things experts said are bad for you are actually good: bacon, butter, full-fat dressings, heavy cream, etc. I used to get heartburn twice a day; I haven't had heartburn since I started this regimen.
I feel better.
I have more energy.
I'm able to focus better.
It's almost as if I'm being penalized for eating healthy.
But I'm paying 3Xs as much for groceries....ridiculous. It's almost as if I'm being penalized for eating healthy.
All of the things experts said are bad for you are actually good: bacon, butter, full-fat dressings, heavy cream, etc. I used to get heartburn twice a day; I haven't had heartburn since I started this regimen.
I feel better.
I have more energy.
I'm able to focus better.
It's almost as if I'm being penalized for eating healthy.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:09 pm to Perfect Circle
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It's almost as if I'm being penalized for eating healthy.
It almost as if dietary recs are purposefully wrong...
It almost as if a weak/docile/distracted populace is desirable
It almost as if there is a lot of money to be made in big food and the fallout from trading health for convenience
You should spend your money on food and experiences. Blend them with the people you care about. Prosper/thrive
Genetic templates for eating are evolving (in use in limited capacity) Fitness genes, have to send your spit to Oxford, England (I did it...)
Broad strokes are the same for most (eat real, natural foods)
Current obesity literature
1. Nutrition
2. SLEEP
3. Exercise
4. Stress management
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:32 pm to AUstar
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Cholesterol, we know, is what causes clogged arteries. There's zero debate about that. Ask any heart surgeon what he sees when he opens up a heart. I hear a lot of keto people saying "but our body requires cholesterol for hormone production". This is true, but what they don't tell you is that your liver produces enough on its own regardless of diet. Want proof cholesterol causes plaque buildup? Look up the rare disease called hypercholesterolemia. It is a disorder where the liver produces an abnormally high amount of cholesterol. Even if the patient is a vegan eating nothing but lettuce and blueberries, he still has a high chance of dying of heart disease (like a huge chance). Only way to control it is with meds.
Incorrect
You misunderstand cause
Example:
Fireman respond to fires
Observer notes that fireman are always at fires
Observer concludes that fireman cause fires
Fireman are correlated/linked to fires
Inflammation causes the phenomenon you describe above
Cholesterol is the remnant of the body’s response to try to manage
This statement alone should inform you of the folly of your logic...
Many things cause inflammation (notably smoking and standard American diet)
Yes, familial hyperlipidemia is a model that reflects higher risk. This is a small minority of folks that get conflated as the majority (these folks should be on meds)
Sadly, it is convenient for the sake of brevity to start a med instead of unpacking all sources of inflammation in one’s life (hint: I listed the big ones in my post above).
TD thread where we go into greater depth. Contemporary views reflected. Very reputable folks linked. Review for yourself
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:33 pm to rbWarEagle
I’ve bounced in and out of Keto diets for years and the benefits seem overwhelming. I’ve finally figured out that healthy carbs are fine...as long as your intake matches your energy consumption. When you consume far more carbs than you burn is when shite goes wonky. Carbs are fuel... not storage.
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