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re: Jeff Landry wants to send Louisiana National Guard to U.S.-Mexico border

Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:53 pm to
Meanwhile he says it would take over a decade to reform the NOLA PD

This dude is and always was a fricking clown
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:59 pm to
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RFK


Another liberal offended by Landry. He's doing the right thing.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:01 pm to
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Meanwhile he says it would take over a decade to reform the NOLA PD



Explain why he's wrong.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:27 pm to
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Jeff Landry wants to send Louisiana National Guard to U.S.-Mexico border

Good. Glad to see he's taking the side of the states here. His silence was disconcerting.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:35 pm to
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Because guardsmen are being activated by the Governor and not the POTUS in response to a federally-declared emergency, the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act (SCRA) doesn’t apply.


You sure the State of Louisiana doesn't have a law that provides rights to their National Guard members when called to State Active Duty?

Most States do, especially those is high disaster areas...
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:42 pm to
I don’t know that, but even if there is such a law, it has no teeth. The SCRA is a federal law that applies uniformly across the U.S. There is no way a Louisiana state law could have even close to the same effect as the sweeping protections of the SCRA.

And again, this is on top of guardsmen under state activation making essentially slave wages. Unless activated by POTUS, they don’t make the active duty pay rates.

Imagine your typical guardsman who is working to support his family in Louisiana, eeking by only to be told he has to “deploy” to Texas and take a pay cut with no SCRA protections so his governor can pad his personal political ambitions.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:12 pm to
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Do you have concrete numbers on the amount of those things happening here in Louisiana?


Very little is "concrete" with illegals in the country as the very nature of coming in illegally is contrary to that sort of data specificity. That said, at least one estimate put the population of illegals in Louisiana at 70k back in 2019. As illegal immigration has only continued to rise since then, it's safe to assume we're somewhere over 100k in Louisiana. That would be something along the lines of 2x the entire Monroe/West Monroe population.

What number of illegals is an acceptable number to you?
Posted by LSUROXS
Texas
Member since Sep 2006
8660 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:14 pm to
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sending our resources there while his constituents can’t afford homeowners insurance.



If you can't afford a house then sell it.
Posted by RFK
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:20 pm to
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What number of illegals is an acceptable number to you?
Personally, at least 4. We had our bathroom renovated in September by a couple of Hispanics who advertised on Facebook marketplace. I guarantee you Fidel and Mauricio don’t have papers, but they outbid the local white methhead contractor by $800.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61456 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:33 pm to
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As illegal immigration has only continued to rise since then, it's safe to assume we're somewhere over 100k in Louisiana. That would be something along the lines of 2x the entire Monroe/West Monroe population.


1/4 the population of New Orleans and an insignificant percentage of the total state population.

This is why it’s not a priority for many Louisianans. We have much more pressing issues here.

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What number of illegals is an acceptable number to you?

It’s hard to quantify, considering every one of our ancestors came here to seize land that belonged to other people and killed them or forced them off the land. I guess the coincidence of our being born here means we deserve to be here more than others, but I can’t really quantify the number of undeserving people that should get to come here.

Is this not something we should let the market regulate? (Serious question btw, not being glib)
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:37 pm to
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Is this not something we should let the market regulate?

Anyone who doesn’t grasp the hazards that come with allowing “the market” to determine how many undocumented, untraceable, unvaccinated people enter the country from god knows where isn’t a serious person.

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It’s hard to quantify, considering every one of our ancestors came here to seize land that belonged to other people and killed them or forced them off the land.

More Americans descend from immigrants arriving in the second half of the 19th century and early 20th century than from the original colonial settlements.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61456 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:47 pm to
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one who doesn’t grasp the hazards that come with allowing “the market” to determine how many undocumented, untraceable, unvaccinated people enter the country from god knows where isn’t a serious person.


It’s hard to know when it’s preferable to let the free market dictate policy and when it’s not preferable to let the feee market dictate policy here.

And since when is being unvaccinated viewed negatively on this board?

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The overwhelming majority of Americans descend from immigrants arriving in the second half of the 19th century and early 20th century.

Does this mean something? It was ok to immigrate when our ancestors did it but it’s not ok now? When did the tide change? My grandparents on both sides were first generation Americans so it’s not like people stopped coming here en masse that long ago.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:52 pm to
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Explain why he's wrong.

A decade is simply an unacceptable time frame

Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:53 pm to
He takes a better picture for starters. Much better in setting up a photo op.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37364 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:01 pm to
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It’s hard to know when it’s preferable to let the free market dictate policy and when it’s not preferable to let the feee market dictate policy here.

No it isn’t. Only a moron or a dishonest person would even try to make that ridiculous statement.
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And since when is being unvaccinated viewed negatively on this board?

Since no one wants their children getting polio or measles or something worse from some “migrants” from South Sudan or China that followed your preferred “market determined” system of allowing people into the country unabated.

Cool attempted covid-vaccine gotcha though. Par for the course for an emotional liberal woman.

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was ok to immigrate when our ancestors did it but it’s not ok now?

Very very few people disagree with legal immigration. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Only very emotional liberal women support unfettered illegal immigration though.

Again, I’ll state that anyone who supports unfettered illegal immigration isn’t a serious person.


This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 3:08 pm
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:06 pm to
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Jeff Landry


Baw.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61456 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:12 pm to
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Very very few people disagree with immigration.


This is the part where you say it was ok for our ancestors to just walk i onto the country without documentation but it’s not ok anymore because we changed the rules.

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Only very emotional liberal women support unfettered illegal immigration though.


I was just thinking how emotional you are while reading your statements before this one. I’m not even making that up. Your responses are dripping with emotion but I assume you lack the self-awareness to understand that.

I wouldn’t say I support unfettered immigration but I certainly support realistic and achievable pathways to legal immigration.

Blaming the people coming here to be easily hired and exploited by corporations also seems really silly. Instead of blaming the systems providing the incentives to come here without documentation, we blame the people taking advantage of better opportunities.

It’s akin to blaming people for being on welfare instead of blaming the system that created welfare.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:16 pm to
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This is the part where you say it was ok for our ancestors to just walk i onto the country without documentation but it’s not ok anymore because we changed the rules.
Ellis Island, etc notwithstanding?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37364 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:19 pm to
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This is the part where you say it was ok for our ancestors to just walk i onto the country without documentation but it’s not ok anymore because we changed the rules.

Yes, we live in a different world than in the 1870’s. Imagine that.

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I certainly support realistic and achievable pathways to legal immigration.

Totally and completely separate issue than allowing unfettered illegal immigration.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
59300 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:22 pm to
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This is why it’s not a priority for many Louisianans.


No, it's "not a priority" for only a relatively few Louisianans. The GOP is heavily in favor of re-strengthening the southern border and GOP candidates garnered well over twice as many votes for Governor that DEM candidates did (this remains true even if all the independent votes go to DEMs).

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Is this not something we should let the market regulate? (Serious question btw, not being glib)


Non-glib answer: the market is regulating it. This is what it looks like, in this instance, when the market overrides White House policy in regulating something.

The market wants a little illegal immigration. We have been well over that amount (annual increases, but especially those still here) for a long time now.
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