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re: Jamie Raskin: No "Criminal Conviction" Needed To Bar Trump Via 14th Amendment

Posted on 11/16/23 at 10:48 am to
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 10:48 am to
The dems are good at manipulating language especially the Constitution.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 10:49 am to
it has been stated here that the Dems would love for Trump to be the nominee
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 10:51 am to
They’re absolutely terrified at the prospect of this man getting back into the WH.
Posted by loogaroo
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 10:57 am to
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They’re absolutely terrified at the prospect of this man getting back into the WH.


Yep! Watch the clips of Mika and Joe.
Posted by Scream4LSU
Member since Sep 2007
1248 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:02 am to
Accept two state Supreme courts have already said he is full of shut
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10796 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:03 am to
How do we know what they did absent the conviction?

Is he to be disbarred for something his opponents are accusing him of?
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:03 am to
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They’re absolutely terrified at the prospect of this man getting back into the WH.

Well if you think about it, they should be

After arranging and forcing a coup d-etat as Raskin himself played significant roles, they are scrambling for any kind of grasp they can,

oh but I forgot, Drumpf will be so easy to defeat they WANT HIM TO BE THE CANDIDATE

Raskin will have his place in history books as the treacherous persecutor and seditious traitor he absolutely is...

as will many other of the murky seditious usurpers

quote:

He continued, “I think what we need is a judicial determination of whether or not an impeachment by the House, 57 to 43 vote in the Senate, enough to establish as a civil proposition that he’s engaged in insurrection or whether you need additional adjudicated fact finding by the court. But nowhere does it say that you need to have a criminal conviction in order to make section three of the 14th Amendment apply.”
The weasel words of a traitor EVEN WITHOUT ANY "ADDITIONAL ADJUDICATED FACT".

Scumbag
This post was edited on 11/16/23 at 11:11 am
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:04 am to
Without a conviction there is no guilt under the Constitution: innocent until proven guilty.

Of course simple minds like DemProgFilth Raskin et al are genuinely confused by simple concepts.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:07 am to
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Raskin is a piece of shite.

The cancer should have taken him...

Even cancer cannot tolerate Raskin he is so foul.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:10 am to
They’d have no worries about this if Biden or the dem nominee could beat Trump legitimately …

I love Trump because people like Raskin fear Trump.
This post was edited on 11/16/23 at 11:11 am
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:21 am to
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that’s like saying, let Vladimir Putin run for president, even though he’s not a U.S. citizen because it would be undemocratic to deny that choice to the voters.


Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:17 pm to
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Without a conviction there is no guilt under the Constitution: innocent until proven guilty.


We're way past that... we're at the "Dems decide who can run and find some reason to justify it later" stage of the game
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14115 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:27 pm to
Yes, yes he is!
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23793 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:30 pm to
These fricking people....smh
At the very least, censoring the Hunter Biden laptop information from the public was election interference! There is no question that happened.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
11013 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:32 pm to
Raskin is racist
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104043 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:34 pm to
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And guess what. If the people want Putin, we will fricking get Putin. It’s about the people. Not the ruling class.


I find bringing up Putin hilarious because he is effectively trying to bring up the Obama birth certificate mess and say “Well, he ran so he was obviously qualified.”
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:36 pm to
I'd like someone to ask Prison Mike how we make the determination that someone "... engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof..." without some sort of trial/conviction.

Let political opponents decide on a whim?

ETA: If that's the case then I'd say 99% of elected Democrats have engaged in insurrection against the US by their wanton disregard for Constitutional principles.
This post was edited on 11/16/23 at 12:37 pm
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38003 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 1:39 pm to
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So, when people say, it is undemocratic what the voters decide, that’s like saying, let Vladimir Putin run for president, even though he’s not a U.S. citizen because it would be undemocratic to deny that choice to the voters. The Constitution has already made that judgment.”

This is a hilariously horrible take that liberal NPC voters will hilariously latch onto and run with as a new hilariously false talking point.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 1:48 pm to
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Jamie Raskin
There might have been an argument if he and his foaming mouth colleagues hadn't gone with impeachment, and lost.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8428 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 6:09 pm to
I have posted in other threads and it is simple and undeniable

While the constitution does not specifically mention insurrection, the federal government defines it as a crime under federal law

As such, absent a charge and conviction there can be not "its insurrection because I say so". It is a federal criminal standard "beyond all doubt" required
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