re: Is the Christian God the same God of Judaism?

quote:

---

What do you think?

---

Yes

quote:

---

They killed our Lord and Saviour.

---

Yes but they thought he was a fraud. In their minds and hearts, they thought they were doing the right thing.


If some guy came to your neighborhood and started telling people he was the messiah, you’d likely call the authorities too.

ETA John Stuart Mill wrote about this in his essay “Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion”

quote:

---

These were, to all appearance, not bad men—not worse than men most commonly are, but rather the contrary; men who possessed in a full, or somewhat more than a full measure, the religious, moral, and patriotic feelings of their time and people: the very kind of men who, in all times, our own included, have every chance of passing through life blameless and respected. The high-priest who rent his garments when the words were pronounced, which, according to all the ideas of his country, constituted the blackest guilt, was in all probability quite as sincere in his horror and indignation, as the generality of respectable and pious men now are in the religious and moral sentiments they profess; and most of those who now shudder at his conduct, if they had lived in his time, and been born Jews, would have acted precisely as he did.

---

Makes sense, shepherd

I think you are mixing words here a little Foo.... as are many others. It is the same God overall, the Jews and Muslims disagree with the Christians as to God's nature. Christians see a triune God who is one entity....God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is One God with three different natures.

As Christians we are taught and believe that salvation is possible right now because of the sacrifice of the Son on the Cross and his resurrection on the third day.

The Jews look at this and essentially say Christians are mistaken and that you cannot have a God with three distinct persons or natures and if there are three distinct natures, it's not one God, but three. That's where the Christian mysticism comes into play and the Christians call it the mystery of faith.

The Jews and the Muslims say that God is God. You cannot "split" him up yet have him be the same singular entity/being as you started with. The Christians respond that all three natures have been present from the start...you just were not paying attention. Which is why making God flesh in the person of Jesus was necessary to demonstrate his love and his understanding of man, his greatest creation. If you accept Jesus, you are accepting God and as such you accept the inevitability of salvation and eternal life after death.....the Jews say you are going to have to wait until the Final Day. Christians say you don't have to, you accept Jesus as the Son of God as God in and of himself you are saved.

Muslims sort of hybrid this approach because they do have a path to immediate paradise.....Jews do not....when you are dead , you are dead....for a long long time.

quote:

---

Mt. 3:16 Jesus was just baptized, the holy spirit descended in the form of a dove & then a voice in heaven said this is my Son, the beloved, whom I approved. They are separate.

---

Matthew and Luke plagiarized this from Mark. Most scholars believe this reading is not the original - that it has been edited. Scholars believe it is supposed to be like Psalm 2 “you are my son, today I have begotten you”.

Psalm 2

quote:

---

I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.

---

In Acts 13:13 the composer of Luke wrote:

quote:

---

this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you.’

---

Hebrews 1:5

quote:

---

For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?

---

Hebrews 5:5

quote:

---

So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”

---

It would be no problem for early Christians to believe in the supreme god Theos/El Elyon and his unique son and angel named Yahweh who became flesh so that he could be sacrificed. It was no problem that El Elyon begat (made/created) Jesus. It is later Christians who tried to adopt the Torah (same Torah that Paul rejected) who tried to adopt the idea of a single god. They have 3 gods, but there’s only one god. How did they resolve it 400 years later? Say there’s 3 persons in one god! It doesn’t need to make sense, because it is a “mystery”. Those later Christians scholars believe edited Mark, Matthew, and Luke to try to hide the fact that Jesus was separate and created, but they forgot about Acts 13:13 and the references in Hebrews.

quote:

---

Is the Christian God the same God of Judaism?

---

Yes. With absolute certainty.

quote:

---

The pushback was that Jesus is God and the God of Judaism isn’t a triune God.

---

The Jews who didn’t / don’t see Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit as one are ignorant of who God is. The Old Testament or the Talmud pointed to Jesus with the old Jewish prophets foretelling of God coming to be among his people.

Jesus Christ fulfills over 300 prophecies from the Talmud. 300+ times where a prophet spoke of Yahweh coming are fulfilled in Jesus.

Then of course we also have Jesus’ own testimony of who he is. The “I am”. So either Jesus is God come from Heaven or a liar or a mad man.

quote:

---

Is the Christian God the same God of Judaism?

---

Yes. Otherwise, how could you reconcile being a Messianic Jew? Both Christian and Jew are of the God of Abraham lineage.

quote:

---

No. The God of the Bible—including the Old Testament—is the same triune God of Christianity. The God as worshipped by the Jews is not the same because they reject the triune persons and with the singular nature of God. As Jesus said, if they don’t know Jesus, they don’t know the Father.

---

THIS


Jesus lived among them. They did and still reject him.
Answer ----> emphatic NO!

quote:

---

No the fake Jews of today are not God's chosen people they are what Jesus said they are the SOS Revelations 3-9. There's been two different scientists who have did DNA test and said these people are NOT who they say they are. The Palestines are closer to God's chosen people than these fake Jews.

Their rabbi's study the Talmud not the Torah which says Jesus was a sorcerer who had sex with his donkey and is burning in hell in piss.

---

I have a lot of questions about this.

Yes, both religions worship the creator. We might have different beliefs about the creator, but in the end it is the same creator, the same God.