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re: Is criminalising prostitution the ultimate example of "male patriarchy"?
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Well when you have millions of laws and regulations, they are bound to have some support in there/
Last I checked, the government does what many of its citizens want it to do.
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:42 pm to buckeye_vol
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Last I checked, the government does what many of its citizens want it to do.
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Well when you have millions of laws and regulations, they are bound to have some support in there/
When the government makes a law that a large portion of its citizens want then there will always be some people who don't like the law because they are doing what the law makes illegal.
Ya know, sometimes you are the windshield and sometimes you are the bug.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 9:08 pm to SirWinston
There is, from time to time, one group or another who tries to further regulate or criminalize prostitition in European countries where it is legal (it isn't legal in all of Europe and street prostitution is almost universally illegal). Invariably it is women's groups....and married women...who fight the hardest to keep them open.
My neighbor in Germany wife encouraged him to go to the wall in Nuremberg a couple of times a month....and she encouraged my wife to do the same LOL...but my ole lady wasn't having none of it LOL...but anyway he would ask me to go with him occasionally and I would but I would stay in a bar while he went to get his freak on....his old lady said it was better than him going out and getting laid in a bar and having a relationship that would endanger their marriage....she was of the opinion that it was basically masturbation. Of course she was also constantly naked in the back yard which was directly under our porch and windows so she was had a streak of the freak in her also...she was a good looking 50 something also, as upper middle class Germans are wont to be....her and a friend dry humped me one night at a beer festival for about 3 hours but again my wife is a good earner I ain't endangering that shite on a dare LOL...
My neighbor in Germany wife encouraged him to go to the wall in Nuremberg a couple of times a month....and she encouraged my wife to do the same LOL...but my ole lady wasn't having none of it LOL...but anyway he would ask me to go with him occasionally and I would but I would stay in a bar while he went to get his freak on....his old lady said it was better than him going out and getting laid in a bar and having a relationship that would endanger their marriage....she was of the opinion that it was basically masturbation. Of course she was also constantly naked in the back yard which was directly under our porch and windows so she was had a streak of the freak in her also...she was a good looking 50 something also, as upper middle class Germans are wont to be....her and a friend dry humped me one night at a beer festival for about 3 hours but again my wife is a good earner I ain't endangering that shite on a dare LOL...
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:28 pm to SirWinston
I don't know about male patriarchy, but criminalizing prostitution is one of the stupidiest things of all time.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:41 am to WeeWee
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I don't know about male patriarchy, but criminalizing prostitution is one of the stupidiest things of all time.
You have to be the stupidest person of all time to want your daughters and granddaughters to be told that being a prostitute is a legitimate career option.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:43 am to Iosh
quote:People are made in the image of God and have therefore have intrinsic value as humans; they have intrinsic dignity. Prostitution removes dignity from a woman by treating her as an object that can be bought and sold.
Says who? You're just coming up with increasingly histrionic labels for a distinction you still can't articulate with satisfactory examples. Health risk? Coal miner. Psychological risk? Soldier. Risk of rape? Fox News intern.
All jobs involve the exercise of power by the employer, using the employee's body. And as I said in the last post, prostitutes don't just offer their bodies. They perform services. Nobody is paying someone just to lay there. (I mean, I guess that might be a fetish for some dudes, but it's a non-central example.)
I'm gonna stop bothering to argue now because you can clearly hold serve all day claiming new and different reasons why prostitution is uniquely evil and I don't care to spend all day pointing out obvious counterexamples while you move on to a new set of reasons without addressing my previous answers.
Are you seriously trying to de-legitimize the risks involved in prostitution to make it seem no different than flipping burgers or making copies? The psychological risk exists because it's a traumatizing "trade", where the natural dignity of a person is stripped away and they are not seen as human beings but as living sex toys good for one purpose only. Soldiers often come away with psychological trauma because they witness and perform acts of violence that are not easy for the brain to normalize, and the same can be said about prostitutes. You list an example of a profession that has exposure to one of those risks each, but prostitution has all of those risks. There's no point in trying to minimize that.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:06 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Essentially your argument still boils down to accepting evil because if we don't, other evil will exist.
And that power is far greater in an underworld with dangerous pimps, and dangerous customers functioning in a secrecy. You force the behaviors to occur in shadows, and the people already in the shadows gain control. And what is that prostitute going to do to stop it; she's a criminal too.
In the end, the policies you support very likely create an underworld that is far more evil, controlling, and dehumanizing than if it wasn't criminalized. You're like the environmentalists who want policies that often destroy the things they are trying to save.
But hey I'm sure you feel good about fighting the evil, since you don't have to see it.
First of all, it's not necessarily true that all of those underground evils will vanish if and when prostitution is legalized. There is a lot of abuse that goes on in legal, legitimate businesses, and it's already been shown in countries that have legalized prostitution that such abuse isn't removed. In the Netherlands, prostitution is legal but is heavily tied to organized crime and violence. "Pimps" still exist and many women are still forced to do it. Trafficking is still an issue because there will always be demand for certain types of prostitutes that won't be willing participants.
Secondly, I don't believe in making one immoral act legal for the purpose of slowing down the frequency of other immoral and illegal acts. What we should be focusing on is uncovering the black market of prostitution and human trafficking and prosecuting people for rape and assault.
Lastly, whether legal or illegal, prostitution reduces women to mere objects to be used for the gratification of men and removes the dignity of those women. I don't think that is something we should be promoting in our "civilized" society.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:11 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Encouraging a healthy and stable citizenry by banning certain illicit businesses is not necessarily a bad thing. There are always limits to freedom and it's a tricky business trying to walk that line between freedom and regulation.
And I think authoritarian polices, disguised as a public good.
quote:I'm sure the Bunny Ranch is very nice for someone to rent a whore. I don't think that place, with it's high profile, should be held up as normative, though.
Besides, I've seen episodes of that Bunny Ranch show on HBO, and while I wouldn't frequent, it seemed a lot less "evil" then the pimps (and often much worse), in the criminal underworld.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:13 am to thejudge
quote:I wouldn't go as far as the death of the nuclear family, but I get what you mean. Our society makes it very easy to destroy relationships and families by the constant bombardment of sexual temptations. Legalized prostitution will be another contributor to divorce, juts as sites like Ashley Madison are/were.
legalizing prostitution could be the death of the nuclear family.
Who knows how many husbands out there would give into the ease of paying for sex and don't do so now as they would get arrested. Could they resist the temptation?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:39 am to dawgfan24348
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Or we legalize and regulate it to prevent sex trafficking and the spread of STDs
Legalizing prostitution will not eliminate either of these.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:03 pm to DawgsLife
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Or we legalize and regulate it to prevent sex trafficking and the spread of STDs
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Legalizing prostitution will not eliminate either of these.
Apparently Georgia fans know more about prostitutes and prostitution than other football fans.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:09 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Apparently Georgia fans know more about prostitutes and prostitution than other football fans.
Actually it is common sense. I love it when people argue that if legalized, prostitutes can go and get regular checks...or that they can be forced to get regular checks. You start putting regulations and taxes and stuff on it, they will simply ignore those and turn tricks without all the legal mumbo jumbo.
Not only that, but a doctors checkup is only good until they have sex with their next customer. If that customer has a STD, then she will probably pick it up, too.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:17 pm to DawgsLife
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Apparently Georgia fans know more about prostitutes and prostitution than other football fans.
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Actually it is common sense.
Apparently Georgia fans also have more common sense than other football fans.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:17 pm to DawgfaninCa
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You have to be the stupidest person of all time to want your daughters and granddaughters to be told that being a prostitute is a legitimate career option.
Legal or not, you have failed as a parent if your daughter even considers this.
Coal miner is a legit career option, but I doubt it has crossed my son's mind.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:24 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Legal or not, you have failed as a parent if your daughter even considers this.
I don't blame the parents. They can only do so much to teach their daughters good moral beliefs.
I blame the public school system, the movie industry, the left wing media and the Progressives.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:25 pm to DawgfaninCa
Jesus we hit a Trumpkin bingo
Blame the schools
Blame the media
Blame hollywood
Blame the liberals
Blame the schools
Blame the media
Blame hollywood
Blame the liberals
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:26 pm to DawgfaninCa
LOL. I take personal responsibility for raising my children. I guess I assumed others did as well.
I don't care if drugs, prostitution or anything else is legal.
I have open, honest conversations with my kids about these things. Not a concern in the least.
I don't care if drugs, prostitution or anything else is legal.
I have open, honest conversations with my kids about these things. Not a concern in the least.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:11 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don't care if drugs, prostitution or anything else is legal.
Do you care if one of your children becomes a drug addict or a prostitute?
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:14 pm to DawgfaninCa
Of course I would care, but there are addicts and prostitutes now, are there not?
Murder is also illegal and there are lots of murderers.
I don't view the state as some protective barrier to help me raise my children. I don't point to the law and use that as my excuse. I teach them right and wrong, regardless of the law.
Murder is also illegal and there are lots of murderers.
I don't view the state as some protective barrier to help me raise my children. I don't point to the law and use that as my excuse. I teach them right and wrong, regardless of the law.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:15 pm to dawgfan24348
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Jesus we hit a Trumpkin bingo
Blame the schools
Blame the media
Blame hollywood
Blame the liberals
And to hit the Mega Trumpkin Bingo
I don't blame the police.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 4:17 pm
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