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re: Is criminalising prostitution the ultimate example of "male patriarchy"?

Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:13 pm to
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But, it's their choice or pretty much would be if it were regulated. Arresting someone for selling or paying for sex is ridiculous. Especially with porn being a major thing
As a society, we have to determine what behaviors we want to encourage and what behaviors we want to discourage. If we value human dignity, why not attempt to preserve it as best as possible by dissuading activities like prostitution and pornography?
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:14 pm to
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What about the positive aspects of prostitution?
I don't think they outweigh the negatives.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:16 pm to



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I forgot the study that I read online but it was done in England and i wasn't surprised by it at all the percentage of girls aged 20-24 that were doing this type of stuff.
They were getting paid on avg $2500 per night out. Essentially if they slept with 1 guy every month they could pay off their student debt in a year. Not to mention all the perks and stuff on the side they receive from these men.



Prostitution should not become a legitimate career choice for women.

I respect women who choose not to engage in prostitution.

I don't respect women who have a prostitute mentality.

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:19 pm to
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I don't think they outweigh the negatives.
Maybe not, but I would argue that the criminlization of it, and it's continues existence largely in a larger criminal underworld, causes more negative consequences.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 4:20 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:20 pm to
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I don't respect women who have a prostitute mentality.
I'm sure many would choose a different career if they only knew dawgfaninca would respect that.
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:21 pm to
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Is criminalising prostitution the ultimate example of "male patriarchy"?
Criminalizing it is more of a religious thing to keep men from spending the money on women instead of throwing it into a collection plate.

That's why the more religious posters talk about prostitutes as if they are defective.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:22 pm to
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If we value human dignity, why not attempt to preserve it as best as possible by dissuading activities like prostitution and pornography?
There's nothing magical about being a janitor or a short-order cook that imbues them with any more dignity than a prostitute, other than the stigma of illegality itself.
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:22 pm to
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As a society, we have to determine what behaviors we want to encourage and what behaviors we want to discourage. If we value human dignity, why not attempt to preserve it as best as possible by dissuading activities like prostitution and pornography?
But this can occur absent the government involvement, especially since like most everything else, their involvement creates a bunch of negative consequences itself.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:24 pm to
This! All of that flies completely out of the window in America's capitalistic society. Dignity has never paid a bill, neither has love.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:28 pm to
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That's a non sequitur. You said that it's wrong and should be illegal because it "dehumanizes" women. Now you're special pleading to "dehumanization is bad unless it has some [unexplained] benefits."
Not at all. I believe prostitution should be illegal for several reasons, some greater than others, and I gave one reason for why I personally don't think prostitution should be accepted. Here's my initial statement:

"One reason why I'm against prostitution is that it dehumanizes women and perpetuates the idea that women are nothing more than sex objects to be used and thrown away."

I'm also against pornography as it has saturated our culture and has made prolific sex "no big deal" which then leads to unstable relationships, diseases and other health issues, perceived necessity of abortion, among other things that reduces the perceived value of humanity and increases personal and relational destruction in the world.

Stripping is definitely in the same boat as prostitution but there are obvious differences that allow for more destruction of the family and society as a whole with prostitution as men are literally "becoming one" with a whore and opening themselves and others (including the prostitutes) up to health risks as no sex is 100% safe.

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What makes any of these professions inherently more dehumanizing than any other low-level service industry job? If a woman works as a maid is she being "dehumanized" and reinforcing the sexist presumption that women are domestic servants?
Not at all. Hard work in itself is not dehumanizing as it has been a staple of existence for people throughout history. Reducing women to objects of sex for personal pleasure is dehumanizing as it makes them no different than a sex doll or interactive porno mag/site used to "get off" the consumer. It not only allows for such dehumanization but it perpetuates it.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:28 pm to
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But, it's their choice or pretty much would be if it were regulated. Arresting someone for selling or paying for sex is ridiculous.


Would you want your daughter to quit college and instead become a prostitute simply because she wants quick, easy and big money?
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:30 pm to
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Reducing women to objects of sex for personal pleasure is dehumanizing as it makes them no different than a sex doll or interactive porno mag/site used to "get off" the consumer.
How is the woman who scans my groceries different from a self-checkout kiosk?
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:30 pm to
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Would you want your daughter to quit college and instead become a prostitute simply because she wants quick, easy and big money?
Nope. I also wouldn't want her to quote college and work as a cashier at a fast food restaurant. I don't want to criminalize fast food work though.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:32 pm to
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Reducing women to objects of sex for personal pleasure is dehumanizing as it makes them no different than a sex doll or interactive porno mag/site used to "get off" the consumer
Where does one find these dolls and websites? If they are "no different" than an actual human, then I may have made some better decisions in college.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:35 pm to
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Prostitution should not become a legitimate career choice for women.

I respect women who choose not to engage in prostitution.

I don't respect women who have a prostitute mentality.


There are probably a few professions, the members of which I do not respect. That doesn't mean that those professions should be outlawed.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:37 pm to
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And that's reasonable, but the criminlization of it is a different issue altogether, especially considering the negative consequences that result from prohibition.
I understand your perspective but don't agree with it. As long as evil exists in the world, there will always be people acting evily regardless of what the law of the land is. The question we must ask ourselves is whether or not we should allow or even support immoral and/or destructive behavior because people will do it regardless of the law? "People will do it anyway" has never struck as a good argument against making something illegal.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:41 pm to
We shouldn't be making laws simply based on morality. Unless there is a person being hurt by it, the government should not ban it simply because it goes against some people's morals.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46862 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:42 pm to
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There's nothing magical about being a janitor or a short-order cook that imbues them with any more dignity than a prostitute, other than the stigma of illegality itself.
If you don't see a fundamental difference between sweeping floors and letting strangers have sex with you, I don't know what else to tell you.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46862 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:44 pm to
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But this can occur absent the government involvement, especially since like most everything else, their involvement creates a bunch of negative consequences itself.
Of course it can happen, but more often than not bad behavior must be enforced with "teeth" or else it won't work. I don't have a problem with government protecting the dignity of its citizens as well as the lives or wellbeing of its citizens.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/13/17 at 4:44 pm to
The argument is that outlawing prostitution has created a very dangeorus black market. The sex trade will take a hit if we stop arresting people for paying or selling sex
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