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re: Iran says peace proposal includes reparations for war damage, US troop withdrawal.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:09 am to HubbaBubba
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:09 am to HubbaBubba
We are going to wind up.paying them. Then the question will be whether we could have just paid them up front and avoided the lives, money, political goodwill and economic stability thrown away by attacking them in the first place?
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:10 am to boosiebadazz
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They’re playing better hand than they were six months ago
They’re under embargo and dumping oil into the sea because they have no place to store it.
Eventually their economy will collapse because they’re only seeing a fraction of the oil sales they need to prop everything up.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 11:16 am to udtiger
How will using nukes open the Strait or protect the Saudi East-West pipeline?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:07 pm to Mo Jeaux
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It’s almost as if they actually do hold some cards.
No, it isn't like that at all.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:08 pm to ManBearSharkReb
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They know the war is deeply unpopular and Trump has destroyed much of the coalition that got him elected.
You are drastically overestimating what you believe to be true.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:08 pm to HubbaBubba
Nope
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:12 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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They're not really leaving him much choice
Much choice? To do what?
Continue the air strikes that weren’t forcing them to the table?
Invade before the primaries?
Let the west walk straight into an energy crisis driven by continued missile threats to the strait of Hormuz?
We’re stuck in a corner currently where because the mullahs don’t care if their people starve we’ve already shown we can’t defeat them using air and naval power alone so they have the leverage and we have very little.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:14 pm to teke184
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Eventually their economy will collapse because they’re only seeing a fraction of the oil sales they need to prop everything up.
But the people running the army over there are wackjob religious extremists who don’t care about that at all and know they can wait it out because they have the guns and we have elections coming up.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:15 pm to BobBoucher
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Who said anything about surrendering? They won’t. Ever.
I’m just talking about delivering the message.
So what exactly do you think that accomplishes?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:18 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:Sounds like Trump needs to "arrange" for a different Iranian leadership team.
Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:19 pm to Chuck Barris
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Ask yourselves: Are these the negotiating points of a nation with "no cards," or the negotiating points of a nation that thinks they have the upper hand?
Looks like a nation that is totally delusional and always has been since they were taken over by radical goons.
Looking forward to bridge and power plant day!!!
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:21 pm to HubbaBubba
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Tell Saudi Arabia, "we didn't sell you those fighter jets to sit there and do nothing. We softened them up. There's nothing left. Deliver the kill shots, yourselves."
Some of you are so delusional
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:26 pm to HubbaBubba
Diplomacy. How long?
Posted on 5/19/26 at 12:27 pm to Powerman
Powerman and dallastiger11,
What are your thoughts on the argument put forward by some folks who initially opposed Iran conflict but now argue that, since the cat is out of the bag, the best decision is to rip off the bandaid.
Argument goes something like this.
“I didn’t want to escalate things with Iran. But the decision was made and we have to finish the job”
What are your thoughts on the argument put forward by some folks who initially opposed Iran conflict but now argue that, since the cat is out of the bag, the best decision is to rip off the bandaid.
Argument goes something like this.
“I didn’t want to escalate things with Iran. But the decision was made and we have to finish the job”
Posted on 5/19/26 at 1:52 pm to tide06
So in your opinion since the Iranians hold all the leverage, they want their infrastructure destroyed for the next twenty years. Yes? Why would they be using their leverage to provoke further attack? Probably should ask the Ayatollah, but he's dead, or second in command, but he's dead, third, dead, this might take a minute.... dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead etc..
That's some seriously high level chess they're playing with this leverage they have over us.
That's some seriously high level chess they're playing with this leverage they have over us.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 1:55 pm to imjustafatkid
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No, it isn't like that at all.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:01 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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They're not really leaving him much choice.
The regime must go, the Strait must open. Why are we fricking around?
He's acting like his only goal is to make them "promise" not to pursue a nuke. He repeats this over and over. No mention of eliminating this horrible terrorist regime and nothing about removing their hold on the Strait.
Bomb the frick out of them already. Not doing so makes us look weak.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:07 pm to justsaygeaux2
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Bomb the frick out of them already
Already did that.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:12 pm to tigervet4
No. We've bombed their primary IRGC targets and support. We haven't touched much of the infrastructure yet. We can send them back to the stone age if we want to but the whole world is going to pay if we do that because Iran is such a big chunk of the global oil supply. That's the reason we haven't done it. The hope was that the blockade would starve them to the table but it's not happening fast enough.
Personally, I'm for just ending them. Tell the gulf states it's open season. Keep the lockdown on them till they unconditionally surrender. Bomb something important once a day to make that tick tock sound louder.
Personally, I'm for just ending them. Tell the gulf states it's open season. Keep the lockdown on them till they unconditionally surrender. Bomb something important once a day to make that tick tock sound louder.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 2:13 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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want their infrastructure destroyed
Want? No.
Willing to accept if necessary? Yes.
Capable of destroying oil infrastructure for our allied states in reciprocation? Absolutely.
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? Probably should ask the Ayatollah, but he's dead, or second in command, but he's dead, third, dead, this might take a minute.... dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead etc..
And that led to a victory for us? Did I miss the surrender?
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That's some seriously high level chess they're playing with this leverage they have over us.
Speaking of high level chess we now have:
-lost free passage of the strait for fuel transport and any shippers moving forward at best face paying million dollar tolls
-seen fuel prices explode with experts saying the entire west faces an energy crisis a corresponding economic downturn and possible famine due to lack of nitrogen based fertilizers across the globe
-achieved zero long term strategic advantages to date relative to our previous status quo with Iran
Just crushing it. But thankfully we blew up some F14s that could hardly fly and some inflatable rafts they called a navy so we have that going for us.
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