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re: Interesting study on prejudice in job applications

Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:03 pm to
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5558 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:03 pm to
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People are gun shy about hiring blacks. They are worried, right or wrong, that if it doesn’t work out they will be difficult to fire. And could result in law suits.


At my company we are too worried to not hire them.

If you turn one down, even if the resume is a crap pile, HR will actually ask you why.

Unlike the whites, Asians and Hispanics.

I convinced one black Engineer to quit my team, he was actively not working.
His retard of a manager (white guy) was so angry at me because now he had to find him another position.
The guy had the balls the tell me I wish you had given us a warning, we could have made it work.
I had reported that he was refusing to do work for 3 months, and now I was the issue to this moron.

I'm not even mad at the black guy, he didn't like the work and knew I couldn't force him to do it (or come into work).

I'm annoyed at the white autist who decided that he would rather get angry at me that discipline someone who refused to work.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116636 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:14 pm to
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I don't understand the study. Are these real life companies that grant interviews based on name and age, without looking at a resume?

Yes, they are real companies but they just studied those with not much info required on an initial application.
My guess is something that started online: IE, 'Want a job with Acme? Email us your name, address and date of birth and we'll contact you.' The 'contact' is called a 'call back' so that may be just providing you with a detailed application form. From that they would reduce it to actual interviews in person. But the ratio is how many got the 'contact.'
Again, the purpose of the study was about racism. So, if a company sent that mail out with 'a pic' included then it would have been excluded from the sampling. No company is gonna ask your race so that's why they went by ethnic names.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 2:31 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33805 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:25 pm to
Your post proves my point
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85433 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:28 pm to
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A white person with a felony conviction is more likely to get hired than an equally qualified black person with a clean record. But we hear mediocre white men here whine endlessly about DEI because they can’t get better jobs. ETA there’s a whole book about it. Marked by Devah Pager.




Did you also read the study that there was no racial bias in police shooting?

So the whole burn loot murder temper tantrum was based off nothing.


Sorry that lemonjelo gets put to the back of the pile.


Stop naming your kids after your groceries.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16074 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:29 pm to
Oh my. The 4chubbies bat signal.

“Nowww see.. this biased study from this “progressive” source is gospel!! Now you have to PROVE it wrong with only information I deem a solid source!! So go ahead and try!”
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:30 pm to
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its apparent on mortgage applications as well.
Because blacks have notoriously bad credit
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:31 pm to
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Why don't companies want to even bother with old people regardless of race?


I have never personally run into this, ie I haven’t had them applying for jobs. It very easily could be salary expectations and cultural fit if the team is young. There may not be a lot of openings that match their experience, and they end up applying for jobs “beneath” them.

If you have $50k for a role you might not expect a 52 year old to be willing to work for that.

I have former co-workers than ran into this and it does worry me for my future. One guy took over a year to find something and he was working at a home improvement store to have an income. My old boss just gave up and retired.
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:32 pm to
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Makes blacks less attractive to hire IMO. If it doesn’t work out, will you end up in court

This is the issue

We we fail with our white hires all the time but that is readily resolved

With a black hire, it's absolutely a no fail proposition
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4529 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:41 pm to
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Yes, they are real companies but they just studied those with not much info required on an initial application. My guess is something that started online: IE, 'Want a job with Acme? Email us your name, address and date of birth and we'll contact you.'


For any company with more than about 15 employees, it would be an ill advised practice to advertise job openings and then choose who gets an interview based on name and age. That's an invitation to get sued and/or investigated by the govt. for hiring discrimination. I believe employers with fewer than 15 aren't subject to civil rights hiring regulations. That's why you see small ethnic restaurants, grocery stores, etc. with heavily weighted ethnic staffing. Likewise, the local hair salon that caters to elderly white women may be heavily staffed with white women.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 2:46 pm
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
11884 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:43 pm to
You misspelled "Lartarvous"

Good night sweet prince...
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 12:01 am
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
Auburn AL
Member since Dec 2021
1357 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:01 pm to
Do you even read these studies that you post copies of?

Did you even read the list of limitations on this study?

Do you know how many cities the test results were obtained in? Big hint: it was less than two (that’s right ONE city in the US).
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47819 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:03 pm to
was there any analysis of the resume's content?

It could well be that Jotarious' resume is not as well written as Roderick's.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103096 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:03 pm to
I think a better question would be to ask WHY people are less likely to interview Lavonious Jackson than John Smith.

Couldn’t possibly be that the downside to a bad hiring of Lavonious is more fraught with peril, as they either can’t fire them or risk racial accusations for firing someone.

If John Smith sucks at his job, he can be told to GTFO with no problem.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
7489 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:17 pm to
In the words of a good friends grandpa, I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody equally.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116636 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:24 pm to
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was there any analysis of the resume's content? It could well be that Jotarious' resume is not as well written as Roderick's.

There were no resumes at that level. But the black sounding first names reminded me of graduating seniors here in Shreveport-Bossier that were printed in a local monthly magazine. Back in the 1990s I checked out the names..
Booker T. Washington HS is all black. Each year they had at least 30 names with a 'comma up', IE: La'Various Jones. Caddo Magnet HS, an elite academic school had about 50 black kids graduating each year. Zero of those kids had commas in their names. So, first names had a correlation with IQ.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5558 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:42 pm to
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Booker T. Washington HS is all black. Each year they had at least 30 names with a 'comma up', IE: La'Various Jones. Caddo Magnet HS, an elite academic school had about 50 black kids graduating each year. Zero of those kids had commas in their names. So, first names had a correlation with IQ.


Yup, same deal with white and Asian people.

People who are very invested in their children's future use names like Donald, or Edward.

Notable Black Fortune 500 CEOs:

quote:

Calvin Butler: President and CEO of Exelon, a utility company.
Rosalind Brewer: CEO of Walgreens Boots Alliance, a pharmacy and healthcare company.
Marvin R. Ellison: CEO of Lowes Companies, a home improvement retailer.
Christopher C. Womack: CEO of Southern Company, an electric utility holding company.
Franklin Clyburn: CEO of International Flavors & Fragrances.
David Rawlinson II: President and CEO of Qurate Retail Group.


None of those names are a coincidence.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58554 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 6:40 pm to
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Do you even read these studies that you post copies of?

Yep. I read the book about the study.

quote:

Did you even read the list of limitations on this study?



Yep. Every study has limitations.

quote:

Do you know how many cities the test results were obtained in?


Yep. Milwaukee.

Did you read the multiple replies in this thread confirming the studies findings? I doubt those posters live in Milwaukee.
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
3874 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:01 pm to
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The civil rights movement was about being able to sue for damages for discrimination.

What horseshite... look, the history of civil right has been distorted, but if you think that not being able to enter a business, sit at the same lunch counter, having white's only sections and having to go to certain schools was OK, I don't know what to tell you. Jim Crow laws needed to die.
Civil right has turned into a hateful victim mentality in today's society, but black folks in the 50s and 60s deserved their dignity, which they were deprived of in large part.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35206 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:42 pm to
If I'm looking to hire a pressure vessel welder and the three applicants are named Mohammed Derkaderka Akbar, El'carpitrawn Dookmarriot and Randy Smith, and they're all equally qualified, I know who I'm hiring. Sorry not sorry brah.
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