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re: Instead of talking about the flag why aren't we talking about the issue behind the protest
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:39 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:39 pm to BamaAtl
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A cop deciding that some minor infraction - or merely not granting said cop enough deference - is worthy of a death sentence carries none of the same opportunity. It's a rogue act, but blind obedience to the police and the thin blue line have enshrined it as a legal one regardless of the circumstances.
This is a nonsense statement at best.
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:44 pm to BamaAtl
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Compare that to the size of each population, since we're talking rate per year.
Let's compare violent crime rates too, shall we? You have to be honest to get anywhere.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:46 pm to BamaAtl
If you liberals only cared about the civil humans and Kids that were killed by other blacks then this problem would be fixed . 1 Innocent life no matter the race is more important then 100 criminals who fight the police no matter the race. For some reason the left think criminals who fight the police are more import then innocent adults and even kids.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:13 pm to Centinel
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How would you fix the problem?
Independent prosecutors, not employed by the state in which they'd practice, for any violent crime committed by a police officer. Right now prosecutors rely too heavily on police, which makes going after the bad ones difficult.
Mandatory indictments/unpaid suspensions for any officer who uses deadly force. If you're innocent, you get back pay and record is wiped clean, but no more getting off before a jury of your peers (citizens, NOT other corrupt police) hear both sides and decide who's telling the truth.
If a body cam 'malfunctions' during a deadly incident, mandatory 6 month unpaid suspension regardless of the outcome of your trial.
A nationwide database to track police incidents, so these officers can't hop department to department and use the silence of their complicit colleagues as cover.
For those cities who currently have a problem with officer-involved shootings (see: Orlando, St. Louis, etc), 2 years to develop a training plan and retrain -all- officers or federal funds are suspended.
Those would be a good start! Why is anyone okay with the laws we've agreed upon not applying to police officers?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:14 pm to BamaAtl
Mandatory home training for those that lack home training.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:03 pm to BamaAtl
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Mandatory indictments/unpaid suspensions for any officer who uses deadly force. If you're innocent, you get back pay and record is wiped clean, but no more getting off before a jury of your peers (citizens, NOT other corrupt police) hear both sides and decide who's telling the truth.
Lost me with this one. Cops deserve the same rights as suspects. If evidence supports an indictment, then fine.
If the evidence does not support an indictment, but we have a trial anyway, then the cop's rights are being violated.
There are criminals who never go to trial for lack of evidence. Sucks sometimes, but that's the protection our system affords everyone. We can't take those protections away from one group just because you don't like the way something looks.
ETA: a good case in point is the Michael Brown shooting. Biased witnesses had the whole world believing that Officer Wilson simply executed Brown. Hell, some people still believe those lies. The physical evidence did not support those lies. Why should Wilson have to go to trial when the evidence was not there to support a trial?
Until facts matter to the BLM crowd, I could not care less what they are protesting.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:33 pm to Tigerdev
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I already explained the difference. Not going to beat a dead horse.
And I explained why your "explanation" was inaccurate. You haven't addressed that response though so you haven't beaten a dead anything.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:53 am to mtntiger
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Cops deserve the same rights as suspects.
But not more rights than suspects. We've seen that the pendulum has swung too far toward impunity, so it's time to make it a little harder to get away with murder just because you have a badge.
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If the evidence does not support an indictment, but we have a trial anyway
A good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he so desires.
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There are criminals who never go to trial for lack of evidence.
Let's hold our police officers to a higher standard than 'criminals'.
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Why should Wilson have to go to trial when the evidence was not there to support a trial?
Because he shot an unarmed man in the course of his duties. He should learn to accept that that means he will have to stand in judgement before his community.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:54 am to Dale51
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You're not comparing base demographic numbers with number of crime perpetrated per demographic..
What does that comparison tell you?
That SES plays a strong role in crime.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:56 am to BamaAtl
Wonderful work bama atl.
Your posts dovetail with DEA chief comments re rule of law and critique of Trump inciting cops to treat mere suspects "roughly".
Your posts dovetail with DEA chief comments re rule of law and critique of Trump inciting cops to treat mere suspects "roughly".
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:49 am to BamaAtl
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A good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he so desires.
You can't be serious. We don't simply indict people for the sake of indicting them. It's called due process. Perhaps you've heard of it. Part of that process is evidence gathering. If there isn't sufficient evidence to indict, then don't indict.
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Let's hold our police officers to a higher standard than 'criminals'.
You really don't like the Bill of Rights, do you? All should be held to the same standard.
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Why should Wilson have to go to trial when the evidence was not there to support a trial?
Because he shot an unarmed man in the course of his duties. He should learn to accept that that means he will have to stand in judgement before his community.
I get it. You hate cops. Absolutely loathe them. Fine, but even President Obama's Justice Department did not find cause to bring any charges against Officer Wilson, and you know damn well they were looking to do just that.
BTW, that 'unarmed man' had already assaulted and battered Wilson inside his police cruiser and tried to get his gun. Forensic evidence supports this. Wilson knew when Brown turned to go at him a second time that he was no match for Brown physically.
Brown was the aggressor. That is the fact of the matter. It does not matter if he was armed or not. There have been plenty of people killed by unarmed assailants through the course of history. Wilson did what he had to do. Sucks for Brown, but when you attack someone you don't get my sympathy when it goes bad for you.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:02 am to BamaAtl
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Because he shot an unarmed man in the course of his duties. He should learn to accept that that means he will have to stand in judgement before his community.
Unarmed =\= not life threatening.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:05 am to BamaAtl
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Mandatory indictments/unpaid suspensions for any officer who uses deadly force. If you're innocent, you get back pay and record is wiped clean, but no more getting off before a jury of your peers (citizens, NOT other corrupt police) hear both sides and decide who's telling the truth.
I thought you might actually surprise me until this shite. Mandatory indictments? Are you fricking serious?
I know you prefer to wipe your arse with the Bill of Rights but goddamn.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:09 am to Centinel
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unpaid suspensions for any officer who uses deadly force.
Damn. I'm anti-cop on a lot of shite.......but
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but no more getting off before a jury of your peers (citizens, NOT other corrupt police) hear both sides and decide who's telling the truth.
And this is funny because even when juries acquit, the BamaAtl's of the world lose their minds.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:10 am to BamaAtl
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Mandatory indictments/unpaid suspensions for any officer who uses deadly force. If you're innocent, you get back pay and record is wiped clean, but no more getting off before a jury of your peers (citizens, NOT other corrupt police) hear both sides and decide who's telling the truth.
Let's do the same when doctors kill someone through malpractice.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Let's do the same when doctors kill someone through malpractice.
Oh no no no. Not "through malpractice".
Just if anyone dies while on the surgical table.
No one "gets off" until a "jury" has had a chance to evaluate if it was malpractice.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:12 am to moneyg
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You don't get to intentionally disrespect a sacred institution for the purpose of getting attention...and then complain when those who are offended don't listen to your issue.
Should we also be mad at Budweiser, Trump, numerous clothing manufacturers, and other companies who use the flag as an advertising gimmick? That is all against the US flag code and disrespectful to the flag
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:21 am to ShortyRob
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No one "gets off" until a "jury" has had a chance to evaluate if it was malpractice.
Yep, let's shut down restaurants when someone gets sick until we have a trial to determine whether it was caused by food poisoning!!
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:40 pm to lsucoonass
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but if all of these athletes have the financial means to make change then all of them need interact with community leaders, law enforcement agencies, legislature, school officials, etc.
But that would actually require work and it out require them to interact with the public. They just want to tell us what to do.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:19 pm to Centinel
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Mandatory indictments? Are you fricking serious?
I fricking am. Police have proven to us in recent years that they're too capable of gaming the system and removing the risk of indictment for even the most heinous crimes.
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