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re: Instead of talking about the flag why aren't we talking about the issue behind the protest
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:47 pm to Tigerdev
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:47 pm to Tigerdev
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Systematic could mean that biases have become interred in the culture of these institutions over time leading to these results
That's not what's suggested by claiming "systematic racism." Systematic racism implies intent. Murder implies intent.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Under your logic, why shouldn't men be outraged at jail population demographic by gender?
Because jail populations are determined by the legal system. Trials, juries, plea bargains, all those things where a defendant has multiple points at which to prove his or her innocence, flaws and all.
A cop deciding that some minor infraction - or merely not granting said cop enough deference - is worthy of a death sentence carries none of the same opportunity. It's a rogue act, but blind obedience to the police and the thin blue line have enshrined it as a legal one regardless of the circumstances.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:51 pm to BamaAtl
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BamaAtl
So what's your solution? How would you fix the problem?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:54 pm to ChewyDante
I can't speak to what your facebook friends mean by the term. I am just telling you that a systemic problem is not synonymous with a conspiracy. Not sure what to tell you...
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:11 pm to Tigerdev
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I can't speak to what your facebook friends mean by the term. I am just telling you that a systemic problem is not synonymous with a conspiracy. Not sure what to tell you...
If you believe systemic racism is resulting in police forces that are murdering blacks, because of racism, then there's a conspiracy somewhere in the department. Either that or the killings and subsequent acquittals aren't a result of murders due to systemic racism. I'm not sure what to tell you here...
And that some of your suggestions here don't matchup with arguments being made by the BLM movement or their sympathizers is a perfect example of why the "kneeling" demonstration is counterproductive to actual dialogue. Do the kneelers support arguments like you are making here or more dramatic arguments being made by other figures? It's impossible to know if you simply kneel in place of making a clear, concise argument.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:17 pm to Tigerdev
old tiger devery espousing the same BS jayjay on saints talk does. is not a fan of mainstream stats and facts that kill their narrative....cannot give solid rebuttals to counter arguments not that he ever had a real argument anyway. typical. they avoid it. libtard philosophy 101.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:20 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:There are some things in life that are like a simple test for me that allow me to disregard people.
Of course. That lie will never die.
If you say women make 77 cents on the dollar, I know you aren't worth my time.
If you say "blacks are killed at a higher rate than their 13% of the population", I know you aren't worth my time.
And it isn't because these things are egregiously false(they are).
It's because they are so obviously stupid use of numbers that you know that people who accept them have zero credulity and/or zero ability to examine them themselves.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:21 pm to BamaAtl
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is worthy of a death sentence carries none of the same opportunity.
Almost as bad as being in the wrong gang is worthy of a death sentence. How many young black men have lost their life in Chicago this year? I can probably bet it is much higher than death by a bad cop.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:24 pm to Tigerdev
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racism is a myth.
Racism is not a myth. However, the belief that anyone is afforded less opportunity in this country merely by virtue of their skin color is a myth.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:31 pm to ChewyDante
They are ignorant, and in some cases very stupid and naive people that are very easily swayed into believing a lie and are vulnerable to brainwashing. They just are not very intelligent people. It's obvious they don't care what facts prove, or disprove in their case, they just want to make noise because they're not happy with where their side is in life and want to blame their shortcomings on other races of people, and even the country which provides them with so many opportunities and freedoms. You cant force an individual to capitalize on the opportunities they have in this country as a citizen, thats all there is to it. There are plenty of people from disadvantaged backgrounds of every race that have went on to lead great lives. Somehow, they don't believe that anyone can be successful if they bust their arse and want it bad enough in this country, which is bullshite. It's easier to blame it on "institutional racism and social injustice" and sit on your arse and take advantage of the programs the government has in place to help people try and get back on their feet. Instead, they use it as a hammock, and stay there depending on the government to provide for them, then, try to abuse it furthermore by trying to find loopholes and ways to screw the government. I don't respect these people at all, no matter the race. frick them. It's their own fault and nobody else's, but they're so ignorant and stupid that they believe people that tell them it's everybody else's fault but their own. Lol gtfo.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:33 pm to NoHoTiger
Racism isn't a myth. There are racists of every race though and I've seriously heard plenty of people say, and truly believe, that blacks can't be racists simply because they're black. That's they caliber of dumbfrickery we are dealing with here. Theresearch a group of people in this country, liberals, that do whatever they can to make a dissention in this country over race, even when there is none there. They lie and spin false narratives to influence ignorant people, and the sad thing is, theyre being successful bc of the amount of ignorant US citizens. I really feel sorry for them honestly.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:36 pm to GuiceTheGreat
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It's obvious they don't care what facts prove, or disprove in their case, they just want to make noise because they're not happy
plenty of right wingers in that same boat.
look for TL;dr
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:39 pm to Tigerdev
Hey you!
My question is why can't we do both? Honestly, these situations do not happen in a vacuum. There are two sides. The cop can be scrutinized for over-reaction. Likewise, was the suspect up to no good or not complying with orders? It isn't one side or the other, they could both be wrong. We shouldn't look at one & not the other.
This absolutely happens. It's how I feel the Philando Castill situation happened. That cop was scared & trigger-happy and over-reacted.
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Notice what you don't see me doing: Putting the victim on trial, saying the kid was a thug so he deserved it, or coming up with some bs to justify what the police did.
My question is why can't we do both? Honestly, these situations do not happen in a vacuum. There are two sides. The cop can be scrutinized for over-reaction. Likewise, was the suspect up to no good or not complying with orders? It isn't one side or the other, they could both be wrong. We shouldn't look at one & not the other.
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Killing an unarmed teenager (even if he didn't comply) was wrong. These police were unprofessional and reacted out of fear.
This absolutely happens. It's how I feel the Philando Castill situation happened. That cop was scared & trigger-happy and over-reacted.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:42 pm to CelticDog
In the case of the current protesters and what's going on in this country because of their antics, yeah, theyre definitely the ones uninformed, uneducated, and ignorant.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:49 pm to Honest Tune
Please, for the love of frick, stop calling them kneelers. They're cocksuckers.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:11 pm to ChewyDante
I already explained the difference. Not going to beat a dead horse.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:33 pm to BamaAtl
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It's a training issue, and a law issue, among other things.
What is?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:35 pm to BamaAtl
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Compare that to the size of each population, since we're talking rate per year.
You're not comparing base demographic numbers with number of crime perpetrated per demographic..
What does that comparison tell you?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:37 pm to BamaAtl
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Relative to the size of the population in the US.
Thats an irrelevant data point when comparing the crime rate. You put the cart before the horse and now trying to beat it to death..
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 5:42 pm
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