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re: Instead of talking about the flag why aren't we talking about the issue behind the protest
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:01 pm to Tigerdev
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:01 pm to Tigerdev
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And unlike many of you I can be very very clear here: Killing an unarmed teenager (even if he didn't comply) was wrong. These police were unprofessional and reacted out of fear. They need more training, and higher standards for the ability to cope with life or death situations and stress.
True. But it has nothing to do with race. BLM was built on myths.
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:37 pm to ChewyDante
quote:That isn't what they are arguing. I think you are missing the point. I haven't seen anyone argue that there is a nationwide conspiracy.
They are arguing a nationwide racist conspiracy
I'll tell you what I am tired of. When a cop kills an unarmed black person the common reaction is to put the victim on trial. Start digging up dirt to attack the "innocence" of the person shot...He was suspended from school...He smoked weed...Bla bla..
Notice I didn't do any of that bull on Roger's link.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I wouldn't say nothing to do with it. I also can't help but notice a very different reaction from the public as well. There is no putting the victim on trial, justifying the police action with stuff the kid did in the past...
True. But it has nothing to do with race. BLM was built on myths.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:16 pm to Tigerdev
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That isn't what they are arguing. I think you are missing the point. I haven't seen anyone argue that there is a nationwide conspiracy.
Literally had multiple people make this exact argument to me on social media yesterday. "Cold blooded murder" of blacks by police was the exact terminology. "Systematic." Supported by "white supremacists."
Kaepernick argues the same thing. "Systematic oppression" and "murder" of blacks. It's absolutely the argument. They don't use the term conspiracy but that's exactly what they're arguing if they believe it's systematic murder due to racism and being covered up and permitted.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:20 pm to ChewyDante
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If they want to have a conversation
There's the problem. They don't.
They want to have what THEIR definition of a "conversation" is. Which is basically a list of demands, most of which are unreasonable. And this is what happens when your arguments are emotionally charged rather than rational and fact-based.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:20 pm to Tigerdev
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There is no putting the victim on trial, justifying the police action with stuff the kid did in the past...
Like a strong armed robbery prior to the incident? It's ok to present the victim as a fine, upstanding citizen who didn't deserve what happened but not ok to challenge that narrative? That cuts both ways and is a bit of a red herring.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:22 pm to ChewyDante
Have an up vote
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:22 pm to ChewyDante
The simple fact is that once Obama was elected, their grievance became null and void.
You cannot have a racially oppressive society where a black man gets elected president with a SUBSTANTIAL number of white votes.
Remember, if the USA was as racist as is claimed, Obama would not have won a single fricking primary, and certainly would not have won the general (much less re-election).
You cannot have a racially oppressive society where a black man gets elected president with a SUBSTANTIAL number of white votes.
Remember, if the USA was as racist as is claimed, Obama would not have won a single fricking primary, and certainly would not have won the general (much less re-election).
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:23 pm to ChewyDante
National Conspiracy implies collusion and coordination across various departments on a national scale.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:24 pm to ChewyDante
Both sides have people with beans in their ears.
Nascar driver says, love it or leave it.
Op has great post.
Amen.
Nascar driver says, love it or leave it.
Op has great post.
Amen.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:25 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
National Conspiracy implies collusion and coordination across various departments on a national scale.
And "systemic racism" doesn't?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:26 pm to udtiger
quote:Not only isn't America as racist as these morons say.
You cannot have a racially oppressive society where a black man gets elected president with a SUBSTANTIAL number of white votes.
America is FAR AND AWAY the least racist nation on the planet.
No one else is even in the race for 1st. Everyone else is fighting for 2nd.
And, that's not just opinion. The entire world votes.......with their feet......on this exact issue every day.
And, the vote ain't close.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:29 pm to Tigerdev
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National Conspiracy implies collusion and coordination across various departments on a national scale.
No, it simply acknowledges that they believe there is systematic racism across police departments nationwide that results in racist murders that are covered up. They believe in conspiracies in police departments nationwide, not in just one or two departments. This is exactly what they've argued.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:31 pm to ChewyDante
Just for clarity.
Are we still pretending in this thread that blacks are disproportionally affected by police violence?
Are we still pretending in this thread that blacks are disproportionally affected by police violence?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:35 pm to ChewyDante
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They are arguing a nationwide racist conspiracy to murder blacks.
It's certainly not nationwide - there are some very good police departments.
Look at Buffalo, NY vs Orlando, FL. Similar minority mix, Buffalo has a higher violent crime rate, but Buffalo police don't kill people, while Orlando does.
It's a training issue, and a law issue, among other things.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:39 pm to Godfather1
Actually it doesn't. Systematic could mean that biases have become interred in the culture of these institutions over time leading to these results. National conspiracy is a distinctly different assertion...implying active intent and coordination among disparate entities.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:42 pm to ShortyRob
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Are we still pretending in this thread that blacks are disproportionally affected by police violence?
Of course. That lie will never die.
Why didn't we rally around that poor six year old kid that was senselessly killed in Louisiana last year by a cop?
It is OK. That question is rhetorical, and also proves why NOTHING will change. The left prefers to rally around lies and false narratives, thus there will never be progress (pun intended).
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:43 pm to lsuguy84
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326 whites
165 blacks
How are black males disproportionately killed again?
Compare that to the size of each population, since we're talking rate per year.
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I see a smaller number so I’m confused.
Lack of basic education around mathematics will do that to you. Study up, champ!
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:43 pm to Dale51
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Disproportional how?
Relative to the size of the population in the US.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:44 pm to BamaAtl
That's a terrible way of looking at it
Under your logic, why shouldn't men be outraged at jail population demographic by gender?
Under your logic, why shouldn't men be outraged at jail population demographic by gender?
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