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re: I would be OK with banning AR style weapons
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:09 pm to Cajun Slick
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:09 pm to Cajun Slick
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abortion, car wrecks, alcoholism.....REALLY. not even close to the same thing. choices and accidents do not equate to innocent children being slaughtered while trying to get an education.
So much stupid in this post
Lots of innocent children die every day while they're supposed to be in a safe place... and from many other causes than ARs
You latched on to the flavor of the week argument and are willing to go down with the ship, all the while ignoring real issues and far more deadly issues facing children
You are a scrub, a shill, and a shitty, lying alter
Again, your argument holds no weight and your opinions are invalid until you are willing to fight for every other cause of child death, other that ARs in the hands of a psychopath... until you fight for each and every other cause of death related to children, I will consider you a hypocrite
For the record, ARs are at the very bottom of the list, so you have some work to do
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:11 pm to Cajun Slick
It's off of the rails YOU set because there has been no rational discussion on exactly what kind of gun(s) we are talking about, what guns would take their place so should be banned also, what other steps need to be addressed, etc.
Simply saying we need to ban "assault weapons" or AR15 style" weapons is a non starter due to the lack of knowledge by those saying such things.
Simply saying we need to ban "assault weapons" or AR15 style" weapons is a non starter due to the lack of knowledge by those saying such things.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:12 pm to Cajun Slick
The problem is you want to ban AR style weapons but you have no idea what an AR style weapon is.
Do you want to ban YouTube? YouTube seems to have been more of an influence on this kid committing violence.
Do you want to ban YouTube? YouTube seems to have been more of an influence on this kid committing violence.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:17 pm to Cajun Slick
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Anyone else feel like this is just common sense at this point
no
Banning AR weapons is feel good legislation. It lets people like you pretend you can prevent the types of attacks that we saw this week. You are lying to yourself, and giving up a right that is directly tied to maintaining our freedom.
FWIW, I don't believe you are anything like the way you described yourself. I think you are lying about your background in an attempt to give credibility to your stance.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:21 pm to Cajun Slick
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I just don't see the huge gain as a society we get by allowing these things to be purchased.
Well, you obviously haven't read much about history and are laboring under the delusion that our (relatively) young government will continue to refrain from liquidating its people in perpetuity. I wonder if Fred Korematsu held the same view when Japanese Americans were literally rounded up into camps. What does America look like in 200 years? If you aren't 100% certain, then I would prefer those people be armed with fighting rifles. We suffer through school shootings today to insure our successors against the kind of apocalyptic human holocausts that plagued the last century.
So, now that we've got your myopia out of the way, let's get into the law. The constitution guarantees the right to own guns that are in common use for self defense. This is the holding of Heller. The handgun and the AR 15 absolutely fall under that standard within any honest analysis of modern gun ownership in America.
So you have your reasons to ban them, which I think are shite, and I have my reasons to keep them, which you presumably do not accept. But... the law is on MY SIDE. Not yours. You are the activist. If you want your values made real over my values, over the status quo, and over constitutional law, then I suggest you start petitioning for an amendment to the constitution to change gun rights. That's where you are.
Finally, even if you did somehow accomplish this robbery, a lot of us are not going to peacefully comply. Conduct yourself accordingly.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:23 pm to Cajun Slick
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I think a lot of theses douche bags would reconsider their actions if they were forced to use a shotgun, hand gun or bolt action / lever action rifle.
Reconsider? When these loons reconsider the rifle they go to a bomb or a plane.. most mass shooters have one thing in common and it's not the ar-15, it's antidepressants and a history of mental instability.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:24 pm to Tigerlaff
Bingo. Well put.
You think you're seeing blood now? Try to get rid of the second amendment. You'll pine for the days of school shootings as you wait your turn.
You think you're seeing blood now? Try to get rid of the second amendment. You'll pine for the days of school shootings as you wait your turn.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:25 pm to Redbone
As I stated earlier I'm not writing the legislation. We could have a 100 page thread on "what is your definition of and AR style weapon". For the sake of argument lets just use the old definition from the 90's assault weapons ban. Is that OK? We could fill in loop holes as they come.
Would you be in favor of some type of evaluation of mental health or age restriction for the purchase of such a weapon if not a ban?
Would you be in favor of some type of evaluation of mental health or age restriction for the purchase of such a weapon if not a ban?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:26 pm to Cajun Slick
We already proved that didn't work. You're apparently ignorant of history as well as firearms and Constitutional law.
You should go to bed lil boi.
You should go to bed lil boi.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:26 pm to Cajun Slick
AR-15 is not a assault rifle.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:27 pm to Tigerlaff
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Well, you obviously haven't read much about history and are laboring under the delusion
There's truly nothing better than when people argue that their own ignorance is justification for something.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:28 pm to Cajun Slick
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Would you be in favor of some type of evaluation of mental health or age restriction for the purchase of such a weapon if not a ban?
Absolutely, SCOTUS would definitely uphold that if it were challenged it's common sense and serves a compelling state interest
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:29 pm to Cajun Slick
I said this in another thread early today: 1) We don’t let lunatics dictate the way we live. 2) I’m not interested in taking away liberties from law abiding citizens.
What happened was a tragedy THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. It’s a terribly sad thing, and I don’t wish that on anyone. That being said, banning guns won’t change anything. We have a cultural/societal problem, not a gun problem. And I don’t care what stats you pull from other countries. We are not them and never will be. Until we address how we handle mental illness and how we raise this generation of kids, this shite won’t stop.
What happened was a tragedy THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. It’s a terribly sad thing, and I don’t wish that on anyone. That being said, banning guns won’t change anything. We have a cultural/societal problem, not a gun problem. And I don’t care what stats you pull from other countries. We are not them and never will be. Until we address how we handle mental illness and how we raise this generation of kids, this shite won’t stop.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:32 pm to DeafJam73
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banning guns won’t change anything.
100% False.
Guns in the black market push the price up and outside of reach for the majority of people.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:33 pm to Tigerlaff
Tigerlaff you make a good point about protecting ourselves from government and It wasn't that long ago that japanese americans were rounded up. But I would argue that most of these ppl didn't own guns at all or didn't care enough to use them. My point is that if the government comes for you one day you think it will really matter if you have an AR-15 or a .270 bolt action and a shotgun? I would argue the outcome would still be the same and you could make a damn strong stand either way. If enough ppl felt as you did you could ban together and form a sufficient defense to raise a resistance.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:34 pm to LSUconvert
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100% False.
Guns in the black market push the price up and outside of reach for the majority of people.
Just like drugs.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:34 pm to Cajun Slick
Luckily, that's not up to dumbasses such as yourself.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:37 pm to DeafJam73
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I said this in another thread early today: 1) We don’t let lunatics dictate the way we live. 2) I’m not interested in taking away liberties from law abiding citizens.
What happened was a tragedy THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. It’s a terribly sad thing, and I don’t wish that on anyone. That being said, banning guns won’t change anything. We have a cultural/societal problem, not a gun problem. And I don’t care what stats you pull from other countries. We are not them and never will be. Until we address how we handle mental illness and how we raise this generation of kids, this shite won’t stop.
We need Jesus more in this country and in people's lives, I mean just at least hear him out for a couple of minutes just one argument he makes like be open-minded don't be butthurt and claim the Establishment Clause was violated and pursue some stupidass lawsuit, just hear it and, if you don't like it, then leave like we have gotten SO SUE-HAPPY today people react irrationally to the most trivial things, it's so stupid.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 12:01 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:40 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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AR-15 is not a assault rifle.
BUT AR STANDS FOR ASSAULT RIFLE.
BAN THEM!!!!
Even though it doesn’t.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:41 pm to Cajun Slick
Speaking from a strategy standpoint, if I'm The Donald, I break ranks and push for some gun regulations. The main reason being is that the issue is a bludgeon used against Republicans. Take that away from them.
Ban private party sales.
Raise the age to 21.
Ban clips over a certain capacity.
Ban certain types of guns that aren't really commonly used for self defense or hunting.
Ban bump stocks.
Get the FBI to pay more attention and to flag people who go on youtube saying they're going to shoot up schools.
Put a sunset on all the new gun regulations as to force another vote down the road once the outcomes have been assessed.
Sure you'd lose some rights and freedom but on the flip side of that you take away one of the major criticisms people have about your party's stubbornness and hell, it may actually save some lives.
Ban private party sales.
Raise the age to 21.
Ban clips over a certain capacity.
Ban certain types of guns that aren't really commonly used for self defense or hunting.
Ban bump stocks.
Get the FBI to pay more attention and to flag people who go on youtube saying they're going to shoot up schools.
Put a sunset on all the new gun regulations as to force another vote down the road once the outcomes have been assessed.
Sure you'd lose some rights and freedom but on the flip side of that you take away one of the major criticisms people have about your party's stubbornness and hell, it may actually save some lives.
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