re: I would be OK with banning AR style weapons

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High capacity semi auto rifles. Especailly .223 and whatever the other low caliber nato round is.

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What if I shot you with an AR10 with a 10 rd mag?

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So you'd continue to allow the AK platform and every other semi-auto rifle in existance? This makes sense.

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I have an AR. Thought I was answering your question, not arguing for it’s removal

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using a .223 caliber carbine with a fixed stock and no pistol grip

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The bullets don't hurt as bad coming out of a gun like that.

The AR is the most popular platform these days. Like a Chevy or ford may have been the most popular car in the 50s.

Banning one because it was used in more bank robbery get aways won’t make the other car any less effective, or prevent robberies.

Of course the most popular type of anything will likely be used more in any illegal activity. How many crimes were committed by perps with iPhones vs androids? Ban the AR and you are getting hit with 7.62s from an AK instead, they are even more deadly.

Right... blame the tool, not the psychopath

Erase the method, not the madness

Ignore the real problem, and focus on distractions


There is so much fail in your post and line of thinking, I can't begin to understand why they let people like you vote

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Look, All of yall arguments have merit. But at this point the alternative that you all are advocating is to do nothing. I really think most rational people would at least consider having a discussion about banning these things.

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Why? Pistols kill way more people.

Isn't it about saving lives?

Or.....






Are you just a stupid arse hypocritical douche frick?

You’re being too reasonable. No room for that here on the poli board.

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Look, All of yall arguments have merit. But at this point the alternative that you all are advocating is to do nothing.

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We are having to spend all our time arguing against ignorance. Discussion is impossible until liberals actually understand what they are against.

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I really think most rational people would at least consider having a discussion about banning these things.

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That's your problem. You don't want to discuss the big picture, just ban something.

If our arguments have merit you must discuss our arguments instead of just insisting on banning something.

It's probably the most versatile firearm in the world. The AR-15 is basically like a giant Lego kit for grownups. It can be customized for a whole range of applications, from varmint control to taking out 500-pound feral hogs to urban combat to personal home protection.

Everything about an individual AR-15 can be changed with aftermarket parts — the caliber of ammunition, recoil, range, weight, length, hold and grip, and on and on. Before the AR-15 came into being, if you wanted a gun for shooting little groundhogs, a gun for shooting giant feral hogs, and a gun for home defense, you'd buy three different guns in three different calibers and configurations. With the AR platform, a person with absolutely no gunsmithing expertise can buy one gun and a bunch of accessories, and optimize that gun for the application at hand. You can even make an AR-15 into a pistol if you wanted to.

Civilians buy AR-15s because that one gun can be adapted to an infinite variety of sporting, hunting, and use-of-force scenarios by an amateur with a few simple tools. An AR-15 owner doesn't have to buy and maintain a separate gun for each application, nor does he or she need a professional gunsmith to make modifications and customizations. The AR-15 is predominant in the market, with the most trust by buyers. The rifle's popularity is almost certainly the main reason why mass shooters increasingly reach for it when they go on a rampage. Think about it: If you're planning to shoot up a room full of people, are you going to reach for a rare, exotic weapon that you have little experience with, or will you select the familiar option that's easy to train with and that you have plenty of practice time behind?

What we really need are ways to qualify or disqualify people to own them, not gun designs. That's a tall order in itself, and it requires a ton of care in how it's handled if we're going to respect all parts of the Bill of Rights. But I think if we all start with a few things that we agree on and then work from there, then there may be some hope of keeping guns out of the hands of crazed loners. My two cents.