re: “I don’t trust the vaccinated, because if history repeats itself again..”

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If you’re willing to vote for someone who is directly responsible for a rushed vaccine that resulted in deaths and other harmful sequelae, and then even after tried to get more people to get vaccinated so they could get hurt, what, exactly, are your principles?

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It's quite a conundrum.

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Not too sure...the media and Democrat mantra then would have been that the Trump Administration recklessly and dangerously sped up approval of the shot for political reasons

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The media had the people worked into a lather about COVID. News of a Vax would have swayed tens of thousands at the least. Enough to win WI, AZ, GA and PA.

The butterfly effect of this sort of thing is incredible when you think about it.

Had Trump been re-elected, I bet dollars to doughnuts the antivax rhetoric would have been on mainstream media instead of fringe websites and journals, just to make Trump look bad.


And his supporters would have been the pro-vaccine crowd instead of the opposite.

In a different timeline, RFKjr won the 2024 democratic primary because of his vaccine stances and is running against DeSantis after a two-term Trump.

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The fact that you get on here and act like for one, this was actually a vaccine, and two, that it didn't cause more damage than good.

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I do think it did more good than bad…a lot more. Now, the vaccine mandates were evil. And I’m convinced they were done cynically just for profit.

The statistics on vaccines are very transparent and show a number of things clearly. People who deny any of these are fruitloops.
1. Vaccines did very little to slow the spread.
2. Because of #1, there was zero reason for mandates.
3. Studies of covid deaths show that vaccinated cohorts had much better covid outcomes than unvaccinated ones.
4. Side effects from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, aside from the brief flu-like symptoms immediately after receiving the shots, were fairly rare but sometimes serious. They included occasional deaths.
5. Because of #4, and the fact that healthy people had vanishingly small odds of a dangerous covid outcome, healthy people below about 70 should have been discouraged from taking the shots, because the side effects, rare as they were, were at least as likely as a bad covid outcome.

I think a reasonable person would conclude that vaccines were a wonderful thing, but that they never should have been mandated, and that giving them to healthy people middle-aged and below was a bad idea.

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So Trump, Biden, Fauci, every leader of every OECD country, every public health authority in the world were lying, knew the vax was bogus, took fakes while pushing it on the public and they've managed to cover this up for years now?

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I don't think leader knew it was bogus, but they were being fed lines from Pfizer, Fauci, etc that all had vested interest in generating fear so people would be inclined to fall in line. This was a giant science experiment for the mRNA method of vaccinations. Many in the NHAID, FDA, had vested interest in seeing Pfizer make money, and possibly even royalties. We know a lot in the govt are collecting huge royalties from big Pharma.
The leaders were fed the fear mongering message and then passed it on to the people.
Only the people at the tops of these health authorities had real knowledge of the viability, success potential, and possible health impacts of the "vaccine". These authorities then fed the rest of the underlings what they wanted them to know.
Someone on my wife's side of the family is pretty high up in FDA and they worshipped Fauci and pushed the vax on my in-laws hard. They were buying and selling what was being told to them from the upper echelons of the govt agencies.
So there were many other doctors in the private sector that were warning people, providing treatment protocols, etc. It is a person's right to take in the info and make an informed decision. After seeing what our govt has become, health "officials" have their own selfish agenda. For so long govt officials have been looked to as benevolent and focusing on the people's interest and the private sector was the evil ones trying to make money, had selfish agendas, etc. I think it can be said the govt officials now have an agenda and it is not necessarily in the people's favor.

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I got the single J&J vaccine since it’s not an mNRA vaccine

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That was worse amd should have drawn more antivax ire because it used your DNA after it entered the nucleus to make covid proteins. The mRNA did not use DNA.

Did any of them need to know any such thing to receive a placebo themselves? With Trump best I can he tell really believes all of the bs. No need of a cover-up, just ignore and label.
Meanwhile the carnage is there to see, yet experts remain baffled somehow. Any number of ridiculous causes are proffered....except the obvious. We're not sure what it is, but we're sure what it's not.

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Both kids were in college and it was required. I told them they were over 18 and could make their own decision but I wasn't getting it.

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I told my two in college don’t let anyone give them a shot and wrote their religious exemptions that were accepted. I told them if it was denied they had to put college off until all this settles down but no matter what do not let anyone convince them to get it.

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And his supporters would have been the pro-vaccine crowd instead of the opposite. In a different timeline, RFKjr won the 2024 democratic primary because of his vaccine stances and is running against DeSantis after a two-term Trump.

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Uh no. I switched careers bc I refused to be a Guinea pig, knew the survival rate of COVID, & stocked up on IVM.