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re: I don't see how Floyd officer can be charged with anything OTHER than Murder
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:35 am to Muleriderhog
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:35 am to Muleriderhog
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It’s murder no matter what your bootlicking arse says.
Did you even read the rest of my post? You’re a barely functional retard if you think I am bootlicking.
And to 808, you’re right, but in application the shoulder blades thing isn’t how it always happens (right, wrong, or indifferent).
Having said that, I would imagine that this technique will either be removed from training or highly altered nationwide as a result of the case and subsequent reverberations.
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:38 am to rt3
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just to remind people that just this past Friday on Live PD in WBR... a suspect IN HANDCUFFS tried to run from 4 deputies once they confirmed a gun they had found in his possession was stolen (everyone enjoyed making fun of the WBR deputies who went splashing in the water trying to catch the suspect)
keeping body weight on someone who is cuffed after that person has already been violent with or tried to flee from police is SOP
now the knee is supposed to be between the shoulder blades... not on the neck... so that's an obvious flaw
I fear this may be a situation like when a cop shoots someone 10+ times. People will cry that is excessive and not realize there are plenty of examples of people doped up on drugs that take a ton of bullets but keep on charging.
It looks bad for the cop right now. Time will tell what happened, hopefully.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:40 am to DByrd2
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And to 808, you’re right, but in application the shoulder blades thing isn’t how it always happens (right, wrong, or indifferent).
There’s some risk of restraint asphyxia just by placing weight on top of a suspect. The neck has to be a no-go zone. And when a subject is complaining of a lack of ability to breathe, that complaint has to be evaluated and responded to.
It’s amazing that a police officer wouldn’t be trained on restraint asphyxia. It’s almost the worst case scenario - death of a subject in custody. Happening in public on video makes it 1,000 times worse.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:41 am to ShortyRob
It will probably be manslaughter or negligent homicide, but in an ideal world he should be charged with murder and spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:41 am to notsince98
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People will cry that is excessive and not realize there are plenty of examples of people doped up on drugs that take a ton of bullets but keep on charging.
You can’t restrain someone to death. It’s just not in the defensible column.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:43 am to DByrd2
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Having said that, I would imagine that this technique will either be removed from training or highly altered nationwide as a result of the case and subsequent reverberations
Which is beyond stupid.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:43 am to NIH
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None of those are comparable
Try again
they are all examples of the public being led to a conclusion before all of the facts were in
BTW: I have many issues with how our police are used. One huge issue is overcriminalization, especially using them as revenue collectors (traffic fines).
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:43 am to the808bass
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Whether it’s truthful or not, police are going to have to train their officers to take these claims seriously. The downside risk is simply too great.
And, I mean. What's the downside to checking?
You've got 3 cop buddies right by you. All armed.
If that is beyond their ability to consider subdued, they should be kept as far away from citizens as possible.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:44 am to ShortyRob
It’s very possibly murder. It’s at the very least manslaughter. The guy was telling him he couldn’t breathe. As a police officer, you have to know that when you choke somebody where they can’t breathe for five minutes, they’re going to die
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:45 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Which is beyond stupid.
No. It’s not. Removing a technique known to needlessly kill people is the right call. Any officer who says otherwise should turn in their badge.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:45 am to rt3
quote:What part of that was "dangerous" to the cops?
just to remind people that just this past Friday on Live PD in WBR... a suspect IN HANDCUFFS tried to run from 4 deputies once they confirmed a gun they had found in his possession was stolen (everyone enjoyed making fun of the WBR deputies who went splashing in the water trying to catch the suspect)
Also, this guy wasn't in possession...…...and was being arrested for forgery.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:47 am to TrueTiger
In none of your examples did we see a long video of a police officer slowly killing a restrained man
Sorry
Sorry
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:50 am to the808bass
quote:Hell. I'm OK with the technique to subdue someone you are fully engaged with and not cuffed. I don't begrudge cops doing what ever it takes to ACTUALLY subdue a guy who is fighting.
No. It’s not. Removing a technique known to needlessly kill people is the right call. Any officer who says otherwise should turn in their badge.
But shite. This dude was VERY handled at the point of the knee situation. You don't get to just KEEP SUBDUING INDEFINITELY!
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:52 am to the808bass
So removing a technique, PROPERLY APPLIED, is reasonable. Just because one isolated instance - out of tens of thousands - of the technique improperly allied, whether intentionally or unintentionally, ends in a tragic circumstance does not merit an overreaction. Let the justice system work for or against the individuals involved in this case and that is all that is needed. Stop this "we have to do something!" impulse.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:53 am to Choupique19
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Am I supposed to assume that no suspect resisting arrest has ever said this statement unless it was 100% truthful?
That's kind of where I'm at too. I bet after the Eric Garner incident cops hear "I can't breathe" a lot.
On the other hand, the man was in cuffs on the ground, no need to keep your knee on his neck for 7 minutes.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:53 am to ShortyRob
My question is this. Is the knee technique somethign that cops are taught and once subdued supposed to relax the individual. I don't really know if these are real cop techniques or if that would be some type of defense for the officer to present. Obviously he abused his position in the situation but I would question the techniques being used because this man is not the first that has died from being in police custody with tactics that are used to subdue the supposed individual.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:53 am to ShortyRob
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Dude was cuffed already behind his back and, what, is the defense attorney going to say the cop was also deaf?
He's going to say that criminals say that all of the time in an attempt to get free of the officer.
The last couple of days you've been an emotional mess. Your ultimate conclusion on this subject is reasonable. But, your reasoning is all over the place and very emotional. That's very different than what I've seen from you in the past.
On the subject, I'll say that officers should be given a lot of latitude to subdue a suspect. I don't immediately think a cop committed murder simply because someone dies.
In this case, I think the question is a judgement of whether or not the cops actions were over the top and unnecessarily (significantly out of line) dangerous.
It's not because "the guy was handcuffed already", or "the guy said he's having trouble breathing". I think a reasonable person can watch the video and come to that conclusion without these sweeping generalizations.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:53 am to ShortyRob
The bottom line is, there are ways to subdue a perp without choking them to death. The guy was in handcuffs as well. There’s no excuse for doing what he did. Maybe there is a situation where that technique should be used, but it’s definitely not when I guy is on the ground and handcuffed. And definitely not with enough force to kill someone.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:54 am to ShortyRob
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and was being arrested for forgery.
I'm very curious about the circumstances around this.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:56 am to moneyg
quote:Today is literally the first time I've posted on this subject.
The last couple of days you've been an emotional mess. Your ultimate conclusion on this subject is reasonable. But, your reasoning is all over the place and very emotional. That's very different than what I've seen from you in the past.
quote:You're a cop. You're supposed to ensure your suspect can breath...……."the last 10 guys lied" isn't a defense
He's going to say that criminals say that all of the time in an attempt to get free of the officer.
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