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I don't see how Floyd officer can be charged with anything OTHER than Murder
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:50 am
Everyone on here knows two things about me in these cases.
1. I'm OVER fricking defending the police in general terms
2. I'm loathe to jump to overcharging where rank incompetence is involved.
But, this case just seems like straight up murder. Hell, they'd ALREADY called an ambulance because he "seemed in medical distress" BEFORE the knee to the neck. Then, the guy is saying he can't breath. And literally no one fricking involved so much as really even checked.
That's the point where it converts from "fire them and charge them with something" to "straight up murder" in my mind.
There came a point where the officer was literally able to make a choice while under no duress and under no threat...…...and he chose to continue.
I want that dude in jail for as long as humanly possible and, were I on the jury, I'd hope he got life without possibility of parole.
1. I'm OVER fricking defending the police in general terms
2. I'm loathe to jump to overcharging where rank incompetence is involved.
But, this case just seems like straight up murder. Hell, they'd ALREADY called an ambulance because he "seemed in medical distress" BEFORE the knee to the neck. Then, the guy is saying he can't breath. And literally no one fricking involved so much as really even checked.
That's the point where it converts from "fire them and charge them with something" to "straight up murder" in my mind.
There came a point where the officer was literally able to make a choice while under no duress and under no threat...…...and he chose to continue.
I want that dude in jail for as long as humanly possible and, were I on the jury, I'd hope he got life without possibility of parole.
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:55 am to ShortyRob
I think intent would have to be proven for that, wouldn’t it?
Maybe a manslaughter charge vs murder debate, but I will say I am entirely unfamiliar with their state laws.
Not sure I agree with life w/o parole, but definitely he needs to be locked up.
Maybe a manslaughter charge vs murder debate, but I will say I am entirely unfamiliar with their state laws.
Not sure I agree with life w/o parole, but definitely he needs to be locked up.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:56 am to DByrd2
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I think intent would have to be proven for that, wouldn’t it?
Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life. The exact legal definition of this crime will vary by jurisdiction.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:56 am to DByrd2
He’ll walk with a pension
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:57 am to ShortyRob
seems to fit the definition of negligent homicide
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:58 am to ShortyRob
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Then, the guy is saying he can't breath.
Am I supposed to assume that no suspect resisting arrest has ever said this statement unless it was 100% truthful?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:58 am to RonLaFlamme
quote:Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life. The exact legal definition of this crime will vary by jurisdiction.
seems to fit the definition of negligent homicide
Negligent homicide is a criminal charge brought against a person who, through criminal negligence, allows another person to die.
Police officer didn't allow...…...he caused
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:59 am to DByrd2
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Not sure I agree withquote:, but definitely he needs to be locked up.
life w/o parole
Then put him in general population for 20 years without a chance at protective custody.
He killed that man and showed zero fricks while doing it.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:59 am to ShortyRob
Usually I “Back the Blue” and give them a large birth of leeway in handling people on the street.
In this case, NOPE.
The cop with the knee on his neck killed that man. He was subdued and in cuffs. Could have just sat him up on the ground or got him into a squad car.
The other officers didn’t do anything like going up to the knee cop and telling him to ease up.
Cop with knee - murder or very least negligent homicide
Other cos that did nothing - fire them. Don’t know why they can be charged with. Malfeasance in office?
In this case, NOPE.
The cop with the knee on his neck killed that man. He was subdued and in cuffs. Could have just sat him up on the ground or got him into a squad car.
The other officers didn’t do anything like going up to the knee cop and telling him to ease up.
Cop with knee - murder or very least negligent homicide
Other cos that did nothing - fire them. Don’t know why they can be charged with. Malfeasance in office?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:59 am to ShortyRob
Have you seen the body cam video?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:59 am to Choupique19
quote:Not at all
Am I supposed to assume that no suspect resisting arrest has ever said this statement unless it was 100% truthful?
But, you probably SHOULD assume that if the suspect is already cuffed and surrounded by police officers that he is under control and that they have a duty to AT LEAST frickING CHECK
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:59 am to ShortyRob
I think he reels in a manslaughter charge.
Not sure if it has already been discussed, but what precipitated the knee to the neck thing? Was he trying to get away or something? On drugs?
Not sure if it has already been discussed, but what precipitated the knee to the neck thing? Was he trying to get away or something? On drugs?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:59 am to ShortyRob
He will and should be charged with something. Manslaughter to murder I don’t know. Sad thing is I think the guy filming and segueing with the cops about how they were hurting him made it worse. The cops egos at that point wouldn’t allow them to back down. With training they should know what he was doing with his knee on neck and the prolonged effects.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:00 am to Covingtontiger77
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Other cos that did nothing - fire them. Don’t know why they can be charged with. Malfeasance in office?
Yeah. I don't know what they can be charged with.
That said. If 4 black dudes got in a fight with a single white dude...……..and it ended with one of the black dudes suffocating the white dude to death...……..I know what would happen to the other 3...…….
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:01 am to ShortyRob
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I don't see how Floyd officer can be charged with anything OTHER than Murder
Manslaughter, not murder
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:01 am to ShortyRob
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Second degree murder
I don't believe you will see him prosecuted on a murder charge, but he will be charged and prosecuted, more than likely manslaughter...
What I want to know is what the other officers involved get as well...
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:01 am to ShortyRob
For a murder charge to stick, they'd have to prove the cop acted with intent to kill or cause serious bodily harm. Which is going to be extremely hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
The more likely charge would be manslaughter. Negligence is going to be much easier for the prosecution to prove than intent.
The more likely charge would be manslaughter. Negligence is going to be much easier for the prosecution to prove than intent.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:02 am to idlewatcher
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Not sure if it has already been discussed, but what precipitated the knee to the neck thing? Was he trying to get away or something? On drugs?
Franky, even though they claim he didn't resist, I suspect he resisted his arse off.
But, the knee occurs once he is COMPLETELY subdued and in cuffs. He was literally no threat whatsoever.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:03 am to ShortyRob
has it been proven the cause of death was suffocation? I'm guessing that cop has done the same thing to many people many times (right or wrong) without killing anyone.
I'm waiting for an official cause of death before jumping to conclusions about the cop and murder.
I'm waiting for an official cause of death before jumping to conclusions about the cop and murder.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:04 am to ShortyRob
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But, the knee occurs once he is COMPLETELY subdued and in cuffs. He was literally no threat whatsoever.
I agree. Was a very poor decision on his part.
He kind of looked smug too in the camera
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