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re: I don't see how Floyd officer can be charged with anything OTHER than Murder
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:56 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:56 am to ShortyRob
Yeah. It’s just that this is such a known quantity and occurs with a little more regularity than we would initially suspect.
Texas averaged 5 restraint asphyxiations in custody/year over a decade period. Just Dade and Broward county averaged ~3/yr together over a 9 year period.
This is not some new and strange phenomenon. And this situation checked all the boxes. A physically big subject who was intoxicated had a lengthy struggle with police which likely stressed his lungs and caused a bunch of physiological responses. His neck is pressed on and he complains he can’t breathe. It will be in a text book that apparently police departments won’t buy and we’ll do this all over again the next time it happens on video.
Texas averaged 5 restraint asphyxiations in custody/year over a decade period. Just Dade and Broward county averaged ~3/yr together over a 9 year period.
This is not some new and strange phenomenon. And this situation checked all the boxes. A physically big subject who was intoxicated had a lengthy struggle with police which likely stressed his lungs and caused a bunch of physiological responses. His neck is pressed on and he complains he can’t breathe. It will be in a text book that apparently police departments won’t buy and we’ll do this all over again the next time it happens on video.
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:57 am to rt3
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just to remind people that just this past Friday on Live PD in WBR... a suspect IN HANDCUFFS tried to run from 4 deputies once they confirmed a gun they had found in his possession was stolen
How far did he get?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:57 am to Tiger Prawn
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Tiger Prawn
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Well the difference is that all 4 black dudes in your example were active participants in a criminal act (assault) and someone ended up dying. The 4 cops weren't all in the act of committing a crime together when one of them killed a guy.
What a sheep you are. Ask an LEO what part of training covered the use of their knees to the throat area. There are cops who have lied over traffic stops, got caught on camera planting evidence. What about the nurse arrested for not drawing blood? How many criminals on scene there? The answer is every person who had a badge.
Criminal intent is part of their uniform. That disgraceful patch, the fake American flag with the blue line on it. Code for "no matter what, back your brother". Where are the good LEOs? They sure aren't rounding up the bad ones.
File a complaint on one, see what that gets you.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:58 am to ShortyRob
Intent would be my guess.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:59 am to SoFla Tideroller
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technique improperly allied, whether intentionally or unintentionally,
Pretty sure he knew where his knee was. On the neck of a guy who was clearly having trouble breathing.
Is your knee ever unintentionally anywhere for 6 minutes?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:59 am to JesusQuintana
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He’ll walk with a pension
The crazy thing is all you fricking leftists WANT THIS to be what happens.
Y’all are some deranged mofos.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:00 am to SoFla Tideroller
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So removing a technique, PROPERLY APPLIED, is reasonable.
This wasn’t properly applied. They’re not going to make police officers stop using their weight to subdue and restrain a subject. They’re going to say (hopefully) “be careful you’re not pressing on his neck, if he complains he can’t breathe, move him to the supine position.”
You think that police officer would have rather struggled with him for 30 more minutes or killed him? The fight or flight mechanism and ego and all sorts of things come into play. But a level head and being able to evaluate liability and the best path forward is part of being an adult. And when you’re a cop, the stakes are high.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:01 am to Choupique19
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Am I supposed to assume that no suspect resisting arrest has ever said this statement unless it was 100% truthful?
Good point, but should you keep your knee to the neck when he stops resisting?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:01 am to ShortyRob
negligent homicide
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:01 am to Tiger Prawn
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Well the difference is that all 4 black dudes in your example were active participants in a criminal act (assault) and someone ended up dying. The 4 cops weren't all in the act of committing a crime together when one of them killed a guy.
What if the white guy started it?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:04 am to BayouBlitz
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Pretty sure he knew where his knee was. On the neck of a guy who was clearly having trouble breathing. Is your knee ever unintentionally anywhere for 6 minutes?
And, of course, just because you CAN put your knee there doesn't mean it's your only choice.
I mean, it's not like you have to just stand up and walk away if the suspect can't breath.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:12 am to the808bass
Mumola (2007) of the DOJ also reported that restraint deaths accounted for about 75 deaths during from 2003 to 2005. Using the annual average of 550,000 use-of-force situations and the reported approximate number of annual restraint deaths of 25
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:12 am to AubieinNC2009
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If you can talk and say clearly you can't breathe, then you can breathe.
While you may be technically correct. The victim can be forgiven for not being more accurate with his words. He likely meant to say officer, I'm having difficulty breathing and am in distress.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:19 am to BayouBlitz
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Have you watched the video, you POS?
Yes didnt say the cop was in the right, believe the cop is wrong here and should face the consequences
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:19 am to the808bass
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This wasn’t properly applied.
So we agree. It sounded like earlier that you (or someone else) was saying using bodyweight to subdue or restrain someone should be removed.
Any technique that restricts the airway is not taught - and is specifically warned against.
But, I'm sure in typical gutless bureaucratic fashion, we'll lose the Vascular Neck Restraint because of this case.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:19 am to QboveTopSecret
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Mumola (2007) of the DOJ also reported that restraint deaths accounted for about 75 deaths during from 2003 to 2005. Using the annual average of 550,000 use-of-force situations and the reported approximate number of annual restraint deaths of 25
I think I know where you’re heading. It is not a huge proportion of use-of-force situations. But it is an obvious known risk. You don’t get to get on the stand in a civil trial and say “We had no idea.” And it won’t work in the criminal trial either.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:20 am to Choupique19
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Am I supposed to assume that no suspect resisting arrest has ever said this statement unless it was 100% truthful?
You can make whatever assumption you want about people resisting arrest.
This guy said it while he wasn't resisting arrest, clear as day on video.
And the fact that he died is a pretty big clue that he was telling the truth, wouldn't you say?
Yeah, I'm sure officers have to make judgement calls about stuff like this all the time. This one made the wrong judgement call. When you make the wrong judgement call and someone dies, that's generally a crime. Maybe not if you're a surgeon (although it may be malpractice), but a cop isn't a surgeon.
He took the risk to not listen to the guy who was clearly not a threat at the time the video was being shot, he gets to take the consequences of that risk.
He gambled with someone's life and lost. Stakes are high in that situation.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:21 am to ShortyRob
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Everyone on here knows two things about me in these cases.
Never heard of you
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:22 am to ShortyRob
It seems like the dude would be alive if a police dog had been there.
I bet he would have stayed perfectly still with no need for the officer to be touching him if a dog had been covering him.
I bet he would have stayed perfectly still with no need for the officer to be touching him if a dog had been covering him.
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