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re: Human evolution: astounding new story of the origin of our species
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:47 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:47 am to ChineseBandit58
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yeah - you keep saying that and it becomes more pathetically irrational every time you repeat it.
LoL
Anyone believing that H sapien sat around for 450,000 years and did not discover one simple achievement along the lines of agriculture, metallurgy, domestication of animals, is frankly retarded. Thats equivalent to a teacher having 2 students for 175 days and them not being capable of learning the alphabet. Then on Day 176. 2 more students are added and suddenly everyone is identifying all the letters
On Day 177 the class now has 8 students and mysteriously is capable of forming and reading complete sentences. By Day 178 the class has 16 students, and now is reading and writing complete stories
And on Day 179, 16 more students are added, but the entire class has now written an encyclopedia. Yet for the first 175 days those early students couldnt seem to grasp learning the basic letters.
The logic of a 450,000 year non-learning period in H sapien history, simply didnt happen
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:48 am to RobbBobb
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Like I said previously, just so amazing that H sapien (who has our same brain capacity) just sat around, not multiplying, for 300,000 years. Plus couldn't figure out the farming, metal thing until right about the time that Biblical documentation started. Just so oddly coincidental.
Its almost if man didnt really bother to learn anything, at all, for 300K years. Hard to believe that
Today, 80% of the world’s population lives within 200 miles of the Ocean. In most places around the world during the last ice age, due to lower sea levels from all the ice buildup, there was an additional 200 miles worth of land, on average, exposed on the edges of each continent. These coastal plains were rapidly inundated at the end of the last Ice Age (Great Flood). many areas that were previously fertile river valleys became salt water seas (Mediterranean Sea, Caribbean Sea, Red Sea, Persian Gulf, Black Sea, etc.) it is quite likely that civilizations thrived in these river valleys before the end of the last ice age only to be completely wiped out by massive flooding.
It’s no surprise, then, that a fully formed civilization seems to appear overnight in Sumer, just a few miles north of the Persian Gulf, not long after this flood had run its course. Civilization wasn’t invented there, if evacuated to there.
Mankind wasn’t static for 500,000 years, but civilization was largely forced to start over at least twice: first during the Toba eruption roughly 75,000 years ago which wiped out 99% of the population, leaving as few as a few thousand survivors worldwide, and the great flood at the end of the last ice age 10k years ago which likely killed at least 80% of the people.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:58 am to FooManChoo
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You have no ultimate basis for rationality if you reject that God
Incorrect.
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Please elaborate on what you mean.
Noah's flood, 10th plague of Egypt, we've had conversations about instances like those and you eventually got to a point where you agrees that the most moral response to instances like that was to kill children (because that's what God did).
You can scoff at Evolution as nonbelievers grasping at straws and doing everything they can to deny a creator, but theres a certain level or irony when you'll agree that killing children is moral in order to maintain your own beliefs.
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Also, if God doesn’t exist, you have no objective standard for morality and ethics anyway, so what one believes about killing children would be morally irrelevant in an atheistic worldview.
Both irrelevant and incorrect. Let's assume it's true though, all I have to do is borrow Christianity's objective morality and show how they're (the aforementioned instances) mutually exclusive to make my point.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:07 am to FredBear
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I'm not convinced that that the belief in God and the concept of evolution are mutually exclusive.
I agree. I never really understood the "evolution vs creation" argument. They are two completely separate issues. Evolution is what happens to something already in existence. Creation refers to the beginning of something.
Ask a "big bang" advocate what and where those forces and particles came from and what environment surrounded them before the bang, and marvel at their answer.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:07 am to wmr
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It's amazing that even in your ridiculous worldview, you believe that for what, 5,000 years, apart from one tiny tribe of people, everybody else was a "pagan" who went to "Hell". How fricked up is that worldview? How ridiculous is that version of God?
The classic atheist response: "Your version of God is evil, it's so wrong that he would do something I think is wrong."
Also atheist:"There is no such thing as objective evil, so I have zero objective basis to judge a made up God's behavior as screwed up. My belief that the Christian God behaved morally wrong in the bible proves that I actually believe in a moral standard, while having a worldview that rejects a moral standard."
Talk about a contradictory worldview. You think a God behaved in an evil way, while having no basis for evil. Therefore you cannot say God did something evil.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:09 am to RobbBobb
quote:Your take on this is so bizarre. I mean, it makes zero sense.
RobbBobb
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:09 am to FooManChoo
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I reject that statistic unless you can substantiate it, but to my point, it’s irrelevant what my grandfather or parents believe in terms of what the truth is. Passing on a false belief doesn’t make that belief anymore true.
Pew poll: America
They differentiate between different Christians sects but even then you're talking about overwhelming majorities. The same trend is seen in other countries as well.
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Why do you think missionaries exist?
Because, as it turns out, 5-10% (on average) of a community is still a lot.
In a village of 1,000 that's 50-100. 500-1,000 for a town of 10,000.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:12 am to TrueTiger
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that must be when Eve ate the apple
It’s when a “creativity light” first came on in modern man’s brain. Not that he had been a dullard before, but it seemed that he suddenly began to imagine the world as he wanted it to be and worked towards that goal.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:18 am to RobbBobb
The fact that you think that example illustrates a good critique shows how little about this you know.
IQ is highly dependent on childhood nutrition. You can't compare this to a classroom of kids whose intelligence capabilities are consistent throughout to early man's intelligence capabilities that grew as our diets improved.
You also didn't consider written history, knowledge sharing, or any number of other factors that relate to this.
IQ is highly dependent on childhood nutrition. You can't compare this to a classroom of kids whose intelligence capabilities are consistent throughout to early man's intelligence capabilities that grew as our diets improved.
You also didn't consider written history, knowledge sharing, or any number of other factors that relate to this.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:21 am to LSURep864
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The classic atheist response: "Your version of God is evil, it's so wrong that he would do something I think is wrong."
Also atheist:"There is no such thing as objective evil, so I have zero objective basis to judge a made up God's behavior as screwed up. My belief that the Christian God behaved morally wrong in the bible proves that I actually believe in a moral standard, while having a worldview that rejects a moral standard."
Talk about a contradictory worldview. You think a God behaved in an evil way, while having no basis for evil. Therefore you cannot say God did something evil.
It's like the idea to use a religious persons own moral standard to show how its inconsistent with their gods behavior never occurred to you...
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:22 am to RollTide1987
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Eve ate from the apple and gave it to Adam to eat. The rest, as they say, is history.
So if Eve didn't sin, we would all be retarded cavemen still?
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:25 am to Esquire
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So if Eve didn't sin, we would all be retarded cavemen still?
Would that be such a bad thing? They called it the Tree of Knowledge for a reason. Sure...you gain large swaths of knowledge that lead to unprecedented discovery and progress, but in the end you also lose your innocence.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:26 am to Azkiger
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It's like the idea to use a religious persons own moral standard to show how its inconsistent with their gods behavior never occurred to you...
Strawman
I didn't make a single claim about my worldview.
Just that the person I responded to, had no basis to claim a deity behaved morally wrong.
One cannot claim a deity behaved morally wrong, without having AND without appealing to a moral standard by which they wronged.
A standard which they claim doesn't exist in their world view.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:28 am to RougeDawg
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Good news, our ancestors won.
Bad news, our ancestors were violent assholes.
Well, we’re a mix of all those races that once lived with H. sapiens sapiens. Our DNA includes representative genes of most of them.
Evolution, by its nature, is a violent process. Eat or be eaten, survival of the fittest, etc.
It seems to me that the distinguishing characteristic of our race is its general sexual promiscuity. If an alien suddenly landed on earth and analyzed us, it would surely conclude that males are willing to stick their dicks into about anything and females equally want lots of sexual gratification.
There are lots of monogamous couples but the majority are not satisfied having sex with just one person.
This proved to be a great advantage when we were living alongside at least 5 other races. To me, we won a sexual war, rather than a struggle for survival. I think we literally screwed the other races into extinction.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:31 am to ThinePreparedAni
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Oh really
Show me where in the brain this occurred?
Quite the hard problem...
consciousness is primary. Our hardware (brains) tune into it. The signal continues when the hardware expires...
No.Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:39 am to ThinePreparedAni
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Our hardware (brains) tune into it. The signal continues when the hardware expires...
Wow.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:40 am to Azkiger
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10th plague of Egypt, we've had conversations about instances like those and you eventually got to a point where you agrees that the most moral response to instances like that was to kill children (because that's what God did).
Progressive Atheist: Criticizes God for the 10th plague of Egypt. Supports planned parenthood.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:41 am to wmr
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It's amazing that even in your ridiculous worldview, you believe that for what, 5,000 years, apart from one tiny tribe of people, everybody else was a "pagan" who went to "Hell". How fricked up is that worldview? How ridiculous is that version of God?
Gosh, lets see
*Agriculture can be traced back to a source of origin
*Language can be traced back to a source of origin
*Domestication of animals can be traced back to a source of origin
*Human migration can be traced back to a source of origin
Yet you believe that religion just popped up here and there from nothing
Fun Fact: study Buddha, founder of Buddhism. He was born into a region that followed Vedic texts. Guess what? Hindus followed the exact same texts and used them to became Hindus. The writers of those original Vedic texts migrated from the Caucusus. Guess what? Christians, Greek mythology and pagans all migrated from that exact same region, where they once shared the same religious origins as Buddha and Hindus
And we all know, as it has been well documented, that Muslims, Jews, Greek Orthodox, Kwanzaa, Mormons, Episcopalians, Catholics, Pentecostals, Baptists, Presbyterians, Yazdânism, Samaritanism, Druzem, Bábism, Bahá’í, Rastafari, Methodist, Jehovah Witness, Anglicans, Church of England etc all came from one single human being, Abraham.
In other words 5 of the 8 billion people on the planet at one time in their history held the exact same religious practices of Abraham. Thats why the Bible says "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation]". Someones ancestor made an intentional decision to veer from the religion they were born into. And the rest is history
Your idea of that "one tiny tribe" isnt supported by reality. Billions accepted the origins of that one tiny tribe and then proceeded to alter their beliefs, practices, and rituals for whatever reason. As they also did with agriculture, race, metallurgy, language, etc
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:42 am to Kentucker
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No.
OK then
Define conciousness and show me where it is generated in the brain
Furthermore describe how experiences can arise spontaneously from matter
Hint: reductionist science can't...
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/david-chalmers-thinks-the-hard-problem-is-really-hard/
quote:
David Chalmers Thinks the Hard Problem Is Really Hard
Consciousness will still mystify us even if we scientifically solve it, philosopher predicts
By John Horgan on April 10, 201710
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:42 am to FooManChoo
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It’s amazing the lengths people go to in order to reject their creator.
It's obvious that there's something astoundingly different between humans and any other animal on earth.......there's no other animal that remotely approaches man's intelligence, emotional development and wickedness. There will never be a certified missing link discovered between modern man and lesser primates........there isn't one.
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