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re: Human evolution: astounding new story of the origin of our species
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:41 am to auggie
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:41 am to auggie
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To each his own. It doesn't bother me what anyone else believes in, as long as it doesn't harm others.
Sure. I share that same sentiment. But that doesn't require me to "respect" someone's beliefs.
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:46 am to RobbBobb
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Like I said previously, just so amazing that H sapien (who has our same brain capacity) just sat around, not multiplying, for 300,000 years. Plus couldn't figure out the farming, metal thing until right about the time that Biblical documentation started. Just so oddly coincidental.
yeah - you keep saying that and it becomes more pathetically irrational every time you repeat it. Stop now. Nurse your mental health.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:50 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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The Natural History Museum in D.C. is spectacular.
Black Pawn, I used to live in Richmond and travel to DC to visit all the Smithsonian museums. They have cavernous warehouses in DC where they store, and rotate in new exhibits so you can see different things on each visit. Course some are on permanent display like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
One visit they had items left at the Vietnam wall. Boy that would make you ball like a child. Still remember a six pack of Schlitz with one can empty and a note: Johnny, promised when we got stateside we would get together and have a beer....promise made promise kept.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:53 am to ThinePreparedAni
The Garden of Eden is exactly where it has always been, at the confluence of the Tigris, Euphrates, Pishon, and Gihon.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 5:58 am to wmr
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It's amazing that even in your ridiculous worldview, you believe that for what, 5,000 years, apart from one tiny tribe of people, everybody else was a "pagan" who went to "Hell". How fricked up is that worldview? How ridiculous is that version of God?
...and in this exhibit we have the neanderthal who doubted that the majority of the species who invented drag queen story hour and communism went to hell.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 6:47 am to Kentucker
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However, a good guess is that H. sapiens sapiens evolved an advanced consciousness that allowed him to out-compete and overwhelm the other races 50,000 years ago.
Good news, our ancestors won.
Bad news, our ancestors were violent assholes.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:26 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:If there was no first Adam, there can’t be a second Adam (Christ).
Nothing about evolution disputes Christ’s divinity.
If death didn’t come into the world through sin, then dying for sin to ultimately defeat death makes no sense.
If Christ taught that Genesis was history, then He was either ignorant of the truth or He was a liar. Either way, He wouldn’t be divine if He believed a lie about the history He claimed to know for certain.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:29 am to FooManChoo
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It’s amazing the lengths people go to in order to reject their creator.
Or the lengths people will go to justify belief in the god of their parents.... I recall several conversations where you agreed that sometimes the most moral response to a situation is to kill children simply because muh Bible mentioned it.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 8:30 am
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:30 am to Kentucker
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However, a good guess is that H. sapiens sapiens evolved an advanced consciousness that allowed him to out-compete and overwhelm the other races 50,000 years ago.
Eve ate from the apple and gave it to Adam to eat. The rest, as they say, is history.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:32 am to wmr
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Haha. It's more amazing the lengths people will go to in order to "prove" their grandaddy was right about Jesus.
My grandfather’s beliefs are irrelevant to the issue. The truth about our origins matters from a philosophical and ethical perspective as well as theological.
quote:Also irrelevant to the truthfulness of the Bible, but the lack of awareness by others is precisely why Jesus told His disciples to go throughout the world preaching the message of salvation.
Ignoring well over half of recorded history being one such "length". The overwhelming majority of humans who ever lived never heard of "Jesus" or the Christian version of "God".
quote:What do you mean by “equally valid”? They had contradictory truth claims to one another. They all could be wrong or one could be right but they all couldn’t be equally valid from the perspective of truth.
They followed other, equally valid, tribal religions.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:33 am to FooManChoo
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It’s amazing the lengths people go to in order to reject their creator.
I'm not convinced that that the belief in God and the concept of evolution are mutually exclusive.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:34 am to beachdude
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According to Python, Monty that was actually in Croydon.
That was just his accent.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:34 am to FooManChoo
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My grandfather’s beliefs are irrelevant to the issue
Outside of the fact that children adopt the religious beliefs of their parents 90-95% of the time.
If you were born in some backwater durka durka village you'd be worshiping Allah.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:37 am to Azkiger
quote:You have no ultimate basis for rationality if you reject that God.
Or the lengths people will go to justify belief in the god of their parents....
There are good, serious reasons for defending such a belief in God. It isn’t trivial as some of you make it out to be.
quote:Please elaborate on what you mean.
I recall several conversations where you agreed that sometimes the most moral response to a situation is to kill children simply because muh Bible mentioned it.
Also, if God doesn’t exist, you have no objective standard for morality and ethics anyway, so what one believes about killing children would be morally irrelevant in an atheistic worldview.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 8:48 am
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:40 am to FredBear
quote:You can believe in God and evolution but the Bible that teaches who that God is contradicts the teachings of evolutionary origins, so you would need to reject the book (or at least part of it) that helps you know who God is in order to hold to an evolutionary view of origins.
I'm not convinced that that the belief in God and the concept of evolution are mutually exclusive.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:40 am to FooManChoo
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Also, if God doesn’t exist, you have no objective standard for morality and ethics anyway, so what one believes about killing children would be morally irrelevant in an atheistic worldview.
If God doesn't exist, there really isn't a single reason for me to care about the sanctity of life. The morality of Western Civilization is based almost entirely on Judeo-Christian ethics.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:41 am to ThinePreparedAni
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Out of Europe???
Absolutely not. A transitional fossil found in Northern Africa is not evidence of an out-of-Europe model. The genetic evidence is overwhelming in support of the out-of-Africa model, but there are multiple theories about how it spread, admixtures, and interactions with groups who migrated. The transition from L0 to L1 to other L haplogroups supports the idea that there was consistent interaction with groups who left, meaning that there was a well-established route from where anatomically modern humans originated with groups of people who left. There was admixture and remixture and literally every other type of interaction.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:42 am to Powerman
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Sure. I share that same sentiment. But that doesn't require me to "respect" someone's beliefs.
It also doesn't require you to "disrespect" someones belief.
That is a choice...based on your personal beliefs.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:46 am to Azkiger
quote:I reject that statistic unless you can substantiate it, but to my point, it’s irrelevant what my grandfather or parents believe in terms of what the truth is. Passing on a false belief doesn’t make that belief any more true.
Outside of the fact that children adopt the religious beliefs of their parents 90-95% of the time.
There are a lot of children of Christians who reject the faith of their parents. There are a lot of people who change beliefs over time, regardless of what their parents believe. Why do you think missionaries exist?
Also the early Christian Church was comprised of mostly people who didn’t believe what their parents believed. So again, the faith of your ancestors is irrelevant to the truth of those beliefs.
quote:Maybe, maybe not. That’s why missionaries exist.
If you were born in some backwater durka durka village you'd be worshiping Allah.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:47 am to Kentucker
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evolved an advanced consciousness
Oh really
Show me where in the brain this occurred?
Quite the hard problem...
consciousness is primary. Our hardware (brains) tune into it. The signal continues when the hardware expires...
:Rant off:
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