re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?

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Pick your poison.

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I don't have to, as the only thing I've said about the pipeline is that damn near anybody with access to explosives could pull it off.

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Smart people would never actually associate Trump with the OP in that thread

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Other than you mentioning him by name, I guess not. Are you related to hank? You appear to have a lot invested in actively attempting to convince people that you're intelligent and they're not. People are or they aren't; in my experience the ones who go out of their way to try to convince you that they are are typically in the latter category. It's similar to money that way; the ones who have it are typically secure enough that they don't talk about it.

Putin is the last world leader that actually promotes Christianity, and because the media has brainwashed him to be the devil - Americans eat it up.

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You sure go out if your way to give Putin a free pass.
By all accounts he himself gave the go ahead for the invasion. Currently it has been reported that he is micromanaging the fighting.

Hitler was born out of the hardships created post WWI. Germany lost and the Allies were harsh in their peace terms. The sovereign nation of Ukraine was born out of the collapse of the USSR. Should Putin be able to roll that back simply because of NATO?

I don’t think so just like I don’t think Hitler was justified to do what he did.

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I don’t know why the word Sovereign is used. Ukraine never stood on their own. Always a political pawn of Russia or the West. Each working to bend their will.

True blame would be the blood sucking leaders of that nation. They allowed both sides to court them and now they are getting burned for it.

And you know what, we played just a much of a role in destabilizing that area as Russia.

It’s like when in grade school and the bully finally gets punched in the mouth and throws their hands up in confusion.

At this point, it doesn’t matter who shot first. What matters is do we start another global conflict or stop meddling in so much shite.

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you dont negotiate with evil,you destroy it.

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If you would have told

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Bayoutigre

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20 years ago he would be puppeting GWB would he had even believed you?

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If you want my honest opinion. Someone just needs to take out both and call it a day and let the rest of the world live free and not broke because of this stupid shite

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While that might not be the most unpopular opinion I think we can agree that it isn't a realistic one...

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Currently it has been reported that he is micromanaging the fighting.

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right ... in between cancer treatments, strokes, and schizophrenia therapy.

Look, he may well have a room full of maps and toy soldiers. I don't know. The only thing I do know is there is nothing trustworthy coming out of the MSM. Not one damn thing!

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Well Trump was preparing Ukraine for war

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Nah, a skirmish maybe, nothing was sent that would be in enough quantity to sustain a long term military campaign.

The world was at a greater time of peace with Orange Man in office.

How many billions in taxpayer dollars have been sent there in a futile effort? How much of that money could have been used to benefit Americans?

Trump has a criminal record?

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Never thought you would simp for a corrupt government, Ukraine and the United States.

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You see, this is an example of immature logic.

Is Ukraine a corrupt government? Aren't all governments corrupt?

So you are against all governments? As soon as some are granted power over others there will be misuse of that power.

So your statement is incorrect. The correct question of you are an American to ask is which is a more corrupt government, Ukraine or Russia? Which government is better for the interests of the United States, Ukraine or Russia?

The answer to those questions by the way would be Ukraine.

An easier way of thinking about things is this. Whom did you vote for when Obama ran against McCain? Or even better Obama or Romney?

Did you vote for Romney? If you had your choice would Romney have been your candidate? Did you think Romney was a good candidate?

Our food you vote for Romney because he was the lesser of two evils?

When you are given a choice of two outcomes, you don't just not make one because both choices are bad? You have an illness. You will die. Or you can take medicine that will make you nauseous and reduce your immune system.

Throwing up and having all sorts of gastric issues along with having your immune system supposed is not something anyone would want. Unless the other possibility is death. Then the first might not be so bad.

The deal is sometimes you are left in a position where both choices are bad. The smart person chooses the less bad of the two choices.

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don’t know why the word Sovereign is used. Ukraine never stood on their own. Always a political pawn of Russia or the West. Each working to bend their will. True blame would be the blood sucking leaders of that nation. They allowed both sides to court them and now they are getting burned for it. And you know what, we played just a much of a role in destabilizing that area as Russia. It’s like when in grade school and the bully finally gets punched in the mouth and throws their hands up in confusion. At this point, it doesn’t matter who shot first. What matters is do we start another global conflict or stop meddling in so much shite.

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You know there was a time when the US was a new nation. There was a time when we had to stave off our “mother country” . There was a time when we had our own bloody civil war.

Ukraine spun off a mother country Russia. They faced their own civil war. Now their mother is invading. It seems like you are against Ukraine having their own opportunities.

Keep in mind too how their peoples have suffered over the last 80 years or so. Stalin starved millions, the Germans raped, pillaged and destroyed, and then the Russians put them back in their orbit.
I don’t believe that much of their history indicates they were pawns of the West. Pawns of Russia? Certainly.

Blaming Ukranian leaders for trying to keep Ukraine viable is just making excuses for Russian imperialism which has reared its head throughout the area and not just in Ukraine. Sure mistakes were made, but that doesn’t excuse what Russia did. They had a walkover in Crimea when Obama did nothing, and the looked at a pathetic Biden as Obama lite. They made a huge mistake.

If anyone here is a bully it’s Russia. And if anyone is caving after getting punched in the mouth it’s Russia. Now Russian pride is being tarnished. How they react is putting the world at risk, and that’s because they misjudged the situation.