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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:12 am to doubleb
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:12 am to doubleb
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No I’m correcting the assertion that the US started the war. Putin started the war.
Where’s the assertion that Putin didn’t start the war? That’s a different debate.
You responded to something I didn’t argue, and ignored the actual question/point I raised. Which is - the gaggle if assholes steering the Ukraine shitshow have failed at everything they’ve touched this century and left a ridiculous level of economic and human destruction in their wake. Why are they being trusted/enabled to start WWIII?
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:14 am to SDVTiger
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Some land
And if you give up the land with no resistance what's to stop them from gradually intruding more?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:23 am to doubleb
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No one forced him to take the drastic actions that he did.
Yes, Biden did. Biden is hell bent on getting Ukraine in NATO which moves the NATO border to Russia.
If Putin decided to annex Cuba tomorrow, do you think Biden would simply say he has that right and do nothing?
Putin was merely heading Biden off. Now even if that means that Putin initiated the action, by Joe Biden telling Zelensky in Feb / March that he would NOT accept a peace deal with Putin, it thus became Joe Biden's war.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:28 am to David_DJS
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Where’s the assertion that Putin didn’t start the war? That’s a different debate. You responded to something I didn’t argue, and ignored the actual question/point I raised. Which is - the gaggle if assholes steering the Ukraine shitshow have failed at everything they’ve touched this century and left a ridiculous level of economic and human destruction in their wake. Why are they being trusted/enabled to start WWIII?
The person that started the war and the person most responsible for the shutshow as y’all put it is Putin. Accept that and quit making excuses for his actions.
Everyone else is reacting to what Putin has done and is doing now.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:28 am to riccoar
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Biden is hell bent on getting Ukraine in NATO which moves the NATO border to Russia.
Biden doesn't have the power to do that.
Hungary and Turkey are dragging their feet on Sweden and Finland joining the alliance. They, along with several other nations, would absolutely block Ukraine's membership. It doesn't even matter, Stoltenberg is not an idiot. Ukraine's application is going nowhere.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:29 am to doubleb
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The person that started the war and the person most responsible for the shutshow as y’all put it is Putin. Accept that and quit making excuses for his actions.
Everyone else is reacting to what Putin has done and is doing now.
I don't see the merit in putting everything on a single person. That has been one of the silliest things about this whole ordeal. Putin isn't some warlord in Africa. The Russian state is taking these actions.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:34 am to riccoar
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Yes, Biden did. Biden is hell bent on getting Ukraine in NATO which moves the NATO border to Russia.
Link please??? Hell bent???
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If Putin decided to annex Cuba tomorrow, do you think Biden would simply say he has that right and do nothing
No would you?[
quote]Putin was merely heading Biden off. Now even if that means that Putin initiated the action, by Joe Biden telling Zelensky in Feb / March that he would NOT accept a peace deal with Putin, it thus became Joe Biden's war.[/quote]
Link please? But st least you admit Putin started the war. Some here won’t.
And why would we accept a deal that rubber stamps Russian aggression, cements their control over 25% of Ukraine and provided them access to the rest of Ukraine and let’s tgdd Ed m escape unpunished for their crimes?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:37 am to riccoar
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If Putin decided to annex Cuba tomorrow, do you think Biden would simply say he has that right and do nothing?
The USSR literally controlled Cuba already and the US didn't do much until they tried to move nukes there. We didn't invade Cuba
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:38 am to Indefatigable
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I don't see the merit in putting everything on a single person. That has been one of the silliest things about this whole ordeal. Putin isn't some warlord in Africa. The Russian state is taking these actions.
Understood. The German state invaded Poland, Hitler was the leader in control so it’s common to say Hitler invaded Poland.
I see Russia in the same light. Putin controls the Russian state; thus its Putin’s war.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:39 am to NC_Tigah
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One of the distinctive features of the modern Western political narrative with regard to NATO is an almost total misunderstanding of how the alliance is perceived in Russia. First and foremost, the Western political establishment seems blithely unaware of the fact that the issue of NATO is the main stumbling block in Russian-Western relations, and that any detente is impossible while that obstacle remains unresolved.
In Russia, NATO is generally viewed as part of the American war machine and an instrument of U.S. global dominance. That view is shared by almost the entire Russian political spectrum.
Why the NATO talking point/lie is a great one for domestic support. We're really discussing the US-based support for the assertion, though.
I don't think Putin invaded because of NATO, it's just a talking point he's exploiting via propaganda.
Just like the Nazis disinfo.
Just like the biolab disinfo.
Just like the NWO/globalism disinfo.
Now the new one is the WW3/nuke disinfo.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:41 am to SDVTiger
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crazy that someone who thinks hes smart can get scammed this hard by the media
I'm curious how the media has manipulated me when I don't really give much weight to the American media apparatus. it's broken.
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But you have severe tds
Also not true. He has positives and negatives. Just because a person doesn't have absolute adherence to Trumpism doesn't mean they have TDS. That's cult-like thinking.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also not true.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:45 am to doubleb
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No it hasn’t. It had operated with UN approval. Unlike Japan it has never conquered. It had acted as a policeman of sorts and not as a criminal taking what belongs to others.
And Russia could have vetoed all of these UNSC resolutions requesting/authorizing NATO to act.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also not true.
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I protect the rights of citizens against an overzealous government, like Trump
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:49 am to Flats
He's the citizen facing the wrath of an overzealous government 
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You just outlined how war begins based on real propaganda, belligerent countries, and no willingness to seek peace.
I don't think Putin invaded because of NATO, it's just a talking point he's exploiting via propaganda.
Just like the Nazis disinfo.
Just like the biolab disinfo.
Just like the NWO/globalism disinfo.
Now the new one is the WW3/nuke disinfo.
Congratulations - you are a complete war monger hoodwinked by evil people
and frankly, I am not the least impressed with your two meaningless phrases at a time style
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:56 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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You just outlined how war begins based on real propaganda, belligerent countries, and no willingness to seek peace.
You're describing Russia, here.
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and frankly, I am not the least impressed with your two meaningless phrases at a time style
Good to know. I will strive to improve my posting to match your standards. I'm going to ask one of my friends to monitor this and make sure he includes it in a eulogy at my funeral.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:No it hasn’t. It had operated with UN approval. Unlike Japan it has never conquered. It had acted as a policeman of sorts and not as a criminal taking what belongs to others. And Russia could have vetoed all of these UNSC resolutions requesting/authorizing NATO to act.
Bingo
Game, set. Match
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:58 am to doubleb
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Bingo
Game, set. Match
I've been making this argument for literally weeks and nobody has really responded.
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