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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?

Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:10 am to
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:10 am to
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why doesnt Ukraine leaders want peace


zelenskyy does.

if an enemy took the Permian basin and the Mississippi from BR to gulf would you choose surrender for peace?

that's what putin wants.
control of the shore of black sea and the best industry and the best mineral resources.

you ok with that?
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:19 am to
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that's what putin wants.
you do not have the first clue of Putins motivations
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:22 am to
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And why doesnt Ukraine leaders want peace

They want peace. The question is the cost.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63786 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:40 am to
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Nobody was on here talking "globalism" before 2016


You need to step away from TD.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:43 am to
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You need to step away from TD.

I do, but this thread is about this specific board
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42643 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:02 am to
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right ... in between cancer treatments, strokes, and schizophrenia therapy. Look, he may well have a room full of maps and toy soldiers. I don't know. The only thing I do know is there is nothing trustworthy coming out of the MSM. Not one damn thing!

Fair, but you do admit that Putin has failed in negotiations.
That as a leader of a nuclear power he had put Russia between a rock and a hard place.

And for what? Russia will be less secure now than they were before.Their credibility as a military has been reduced, their economy has been harmed, thousands have died and except for their nukes they appear feeble.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98240 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:12 am to
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zelenskyy does.


Do you ever stop lying?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:05 am to
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Of course a criminal (trump) lets another criminal (Putin) do as he likes.
What specifically did Trump let Putin do?
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:12 am to
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The topic of that thread was the term "globalism."

The only real association with Trump is b/c he coined it
Meh, that's only off by 35 years. Close though.
quote:

Harvard Business Review

The Globalization of Markets

by Theodore Levitt
May 1983


Many companies have become disillusioned with sales in the international marketplace as old markets become saturated and new ones must be found. How can they customize products for the demands of new markets? Which items will consumers want? With wily international competitors breathing down their necks, many organizations think that the game just isn’t worth the effort.

In this powerful essay, the author asserts that well-managed companies have moved from emphasis on customizing items to offering globally standardized products that are advanced, functional, reliable—and low priced. Multinational companies that concentrated on idiosyncratic consumer preferences have become befuddled and unable to take in the forest because of the trees. Only global companies will achieve long-term success by concentrating on what everyone wants rather than worrying about the details of what everyone thinks they might like.
...

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LINK
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42643 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:25 am to
I may be wrong, but when folks here on the Poli board talk about “Globalism” they aren’t just talking about trade.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:28 am to
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I may be wrong, but when folks here on the Poli board t as kk about “Globalism” they aren’t just talking about trade.

Potentially. They never define it (which was the point of my other big thread on Ukraine, along with probably a dozen other threads trying to get one definition).
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42643 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:23 pm to
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Potentially. They never define it (which was the point of my other big thread on Ukraine, along with probably a dozen other threads trying to get one definition).


My opinion and my opinion only is that when they talk about Globalism they are talking about a new world order, one world government and no nationalism. A group of elitist would control everything. And I may be simplifying things, but that’s my impression.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:24 pm to
I don't think most posters have one definition of "globalism". It's a malleable term.

Sometimes it means international trade/agreements

Sometimes it means basic treaties

Sometimes it means governmental agreements (like the EU)

Sometimes it means "the Jews"

Sometimes it means a Satanic cabal of child rapists/murderers who want to depopulate the world (between 500k and 50%)
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:27 pm to
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My opinion and my opinion only is that when they talk about Globalism they are talking about a new world order, one world government and no nationalism.
The George H W Bush brainchild.
Posted by Landmass
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Member since Jun 2013
25583 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:30 pm to
Tell me why the US needs to spend hundreds of billions of dollars during a deep recession, sending a great deal of our military hardware away during global tensions, and risk a nuclear war, which brings a direct threat to the US homeland to defend another sovereign nation that we have no alliance with?

What is the benefit that US citizens get from this? All I see is that we are paying a heavy price and will NEVER see any return on investment.

Please explain your position of why the USA needs to be put under a direct threat?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42643 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:54 pm to
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Tell me why the US needs to spend hundreds of billions of dollars


We don’t 40 Billion seems to be sufficient.
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What is the benefit that US citizens get from this


Back in the day our president was part of an agreement along with Russia and the UK to disarm the Ukraine of nuclear weapons.
The idea was the US and the world would be safer if the Ukes gave up their nukes. The deal was Ukraine gives up the nukes then the triumvirate would protect their sovereignty.

We got a safer world, the Ukraine got our assurances that we would help them. Now if we say screw it, deal is over we lose credibility. Who would trust us?

Also our screwing Ukraine would entice Russia and other nations watching us to possibly do more bad stuff. Would China go after Taiwan? Japan? Would NK go off on SK? Would Russia lean on the Baltic States? Finland? I don’t know.

Now Putin has increased the price of poker. We are no longer in a 5/10 game. The blinds have gone way up. 1000/500 with a 100 dollar ante. Putin has put himself in a bad spot. He misread the situation. His stiff bet on the flop was called. Ukrsine edused him on the turn and now he’s pot committed knowing his Jacks are beat. The question is now will he see he is drawing dead of change the rules and ask for new cards.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63786 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:01 pm to
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the triumvirate would protect their sovereignty.


quote:

Ukraine got our assurances that we would help them.


Were these really the deal?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63498 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:22 pm to
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if an enemy took the Permian basin and the Mississippi from BR to gulf would you choose surrender for peace?
Texas has been under an invasion since Biden took office. We aren’t even fighting. We are actually helping them.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173789 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:24 pm to
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Texas has been under an invasion since Biden took office. We aren’t even fighting. We are actually helping them.


Are they taking control of all of our national resources?

Think you may have missed the point dude
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:36 pm to
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Are they taking control of all of our national resources?

Think you may have missed the point dude

When China, Russia, NoKo, and a nuclear Iran form a military alliance, and when Mexico asks to join them, we can start a semblance of a conversation about this.

The oddball analogy CelticDog draws presumes a weaker country occupying resources of a powerful one. That wouldn't happen here, and it wouldn't happen in Russia.
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