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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:15 pm to SDVTiger
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:15 pm to SDVTiger
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SDVTiger
go look at my post from the very start, i was always stay out of it but we didnt so now its, if you can collapse russia without losing american lives you do that.
i could give 2 fricks about ukraine as a country and do not think they should be let into nato. i just hate the current russia and think the EU, USA, and Nato overall fricked up by not bringing them into the world economy in the 90s.
this war is due to strategic mistakes all have made in the past.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Every government is corrupt Any international behavior I agree with or oppose will, by default, "simp for a corrupt government"
So stop acting like people have to pick sides. There are no good guys.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:17 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Is being against our involvement in Ukraine "anti-America" in your mind?
in my mind it is not and its a very reasonable stance, in fact its prolly the right stance.
unfortunately we didnt take that route. so now there is an oppurtunity, very real one, to topple our biggest historical geopolitical foe...so you take it.
just like if china got into a war with japan...i wouldnt want us in it, but if we started supplying weapons to japan and japan started winning....you play that card and see it to the end and topple china.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:18 pm to lsu777
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if you can collapse russia without losing american lives you do that.
Why? Frankly, our history of collapsing governments that we don't like isn't very rosy.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:18 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Is being against our involvement in Ukraine "anti-America" in your mind?
That depends on the why.
If you're a pure, uncompromising Big L libertarian, and it's just about public funds? No.
There aren't many of those around here these days. Even small-l libertarians have been called losers on her since the Trump era began.
There is a small population of people who are completely anti-American ( or "anti-Globalist", as many label it). You can tell this by the crazy buzz words (like when Satanism or bio labs are referenced).
It becomes a lot more murky between those 2.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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NATO was the aggressor. Russia responded to NATO just as they said they would.
no they fricking werent. nato didnt invade anywhere
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:21 pm to sta4ever
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You’re defending his actions
No, mensa, I'm not. I specifically included an example so the short-bus crowd would understand the difference between "rational' and "legitimate". I guess even that wasn't enough for you.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:22 pm to lsu777
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no they fricking werent. nato didnt invade anywhere
To many here, the fact that Ukraine had expressed any interest in joining NATO and that W mentioned Ukraine and Georgia in a speech 15 years ago is pure, raw aggression akin to the Mongol Invasion.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Why? Frankly, our history of collapsing governments that we don't like isn't very rosy.
why because they have become increasingly aggressive.
looking back would you have advocated toppling hitler and nazi germany if you could have or stalin and the soviets? without losing an american life?
i mean do most conservatives not praise Reagen for defeating the USSR? especially with the "without a shot fired" narrative? how the hell is this different?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:22 pm to lsu777
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no they fricking werent. nato didnt invade anywhere
I mean, they staged a coup in 2013/2014.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:24 pm to Flats
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No, mensa, I'm not. I specifically included an example so the short-bus crowd would understand the difference between "rational' and "legitimate". I guess even that wasn't enough for you.
explain what russia was afraid of? has nato ever invaded a nuclear power?
and nato was already on Russias border, all this war has done is make more of the border Nato. fricking brilliant move by your lord and savior putin.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm an anti-globalist. Ukraine and Russia had a peace deal that both were comfortable with back in early Spring.
Biden rejected that deal and informed Zelensky he would reject it as well. Why? Because that deal didn't suit the globalist agenda.
I'm not pro-Putin or anti-Ukraine. I'm anti-Biden continuing his crime syndicate that he and Obama propped up in Ukraine.
Biden rejected that deal and informed Zelensky he would reject it as well. Why? Because that deal didn't suit the globalist agenda.
I'm not pro-Putin or anti-Ukraine. I'm anti-Biden continuing his crime syndicate that he and Obama propped up in Ukraine.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:26 pm to riccoar
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Because that deal didn't suit the globalist agenda.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:27 pm to Powerman
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There are plenty of people who won't come out and say it but you can get the idea of what they're thinking
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:27 pm to upgrayedd
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I mean, they staged a coup in 2013/2014.
To thwart a Russian coup-based government
And that government wasn't even in power when Russia invaded. It was beaten by Zelensky
Also it was the US, not NATO. There's a difference (see: Iraq War)
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm happy with sending money if it keeps US soldiers out of Ukraine, especially non-spec op
Why can't we stay out it 100%?
Oh right...because our government is behind a lot of this conflict...
We helped create it the last 25 years and now we are funding the effort.
And Trump was impeached over a phone call
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:29 pm to upgrayedd
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I mean, they staged a coup in 2013/2014.
yea im sure it had nothing to do with Yanukovych's refusal to sign free trade agreements with the EU adn Putins urging huh?
im sure it had nothing to do with Yanukovych's repealing the 2004 admendments huh
or it had nothing to do with him making ukraine a russian puppet state like Belarus currently is....right?
look the CIA pretty much can suck dick and god knows the FBI does, but not everythign is the US's fault.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:29 pm to lsu777
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and nato was already on Russias border, all this war has done is make more of the border Nato. fricking brilliant move by your lord and savior putin.
It used to not be on the border of Russia. There was a promise not to make it on the border of Russia. It was then on the border of Russia save for a few spots, one of them being Ukraine. Russia doesn't want there to be a Russia/NATO border there as well.
I don't think this has as much to do with potential kinetic military action per se, but more to do with economic and cultural influence (with some military issues mixed in).
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:29 pm to ApexTiger
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Why can't we stay out it 100%?
It's likely going to cost Americans hundreds of billions of dollars.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:29 pm to upgrayedd
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It used to not be on the border of Russia.
There has never been a single second of NATO's existence where it did not border Russia, with both land and maritime boundaries.
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I don't think this has as much to do with potential kinetic military action per se, but more to do with economic and cultural influence (with some military issues mixed in).
It has far more to do with Russia's historical and current desire for cultural and economic hegemony over the Central/Eastern European slavs than the absurd pretext of fearing NATO.
They see their sphere of influence sprinting away from them, permanently. So they are moving to reclaim that territory, its resources, and the Russian populations of those areas for themselves.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 12:32 pm
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