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re: How do we start over with no national debt?

Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:00 am to
Posted by MsState of mind
State of Denial
Member since Aug 2013
2641 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:00 am to
The number one holder of US Debt is US citizens. All your retirement has some in it
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1632 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:05 am to
Lets just do the same thing Biden is doing with student loan debt, lets just forgive the debt and start over
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19528 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:06 am to
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800 billion in annual interest?


Debt service is a major drag on maintenance of infrastructure and government functions.

NYC did that back in the late 1960's and early 1970's. After a liberal binge of massive borrowing for social spending, the rosy illusions turned to dust and the city was left with crippling debt service. Schools, roads, bridges, criminal justice and all vital services were simply neglected.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34943 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:06 am to
Even if you started today with a clean slate, AT, as soon as you scribbled the numbers there would be a Debt. The Government spending more than it takes in via taxes defines the Debt, and given societally comprehensive Government expenditures (Socialism), the only way debt is nullified is to redefine 'debt'. I.e., redefine/alter our Government as Socialist.

The most outrageous statement that Trump has made (IMO) was the "we will never be a Socialist Nation". That ship has sailed long hence.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21604 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:12 am to
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Mint a 33 trillion dollar coin

ETA - not serious, but someone will say this.


Of course you're not serious. Everyone knows it'd have to be a bill instead of a coin.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 8:13 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:12 am to
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How do we start over with no national debt?

Tell the Fed we've paid enough and to frick off.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7743 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:24 am to
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Send China a bill for Covid.


Uh, the problem with this is that the trail leads right back to us. Fauci and other bad actors in the US were neck deep in it.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6581 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:25 am to
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fiat money policy


Yes.

And once you deploy that system, the final outcome can't go anywhere but eventual corruption/collapse.

It' predestined.


There may be a way out of this collapse , Receivership.

Place the entire federal government into Receivership.

Congress could appoint a judge to oversee this process since the country technically cannot declare bankruptcy.

Layoff all federal employees except the USPS and Customs.
Send all regular military to state national guard and have only 2 days of training per month (get national guard pay).
Sell all federal assets (buildings, equipment, military equipment (here is your chance to buy an F-15).

Cut congressional pay to US median average pay and no benefits, same for president and federal judges. Eliminate all staff.

Receiver re -negotiates all federal debts.

Eliminate fiat currency. Eliminate the federal reserve.

Enforce a federal balanced budget going forward.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42616 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:27 am to
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Send China a bill for Covid. Reduce that amount from the amount we currently owe them - should take care of most of it



what a great suggestion - just do it.

Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17484 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:29 am to
At the moment, that 33 Trillion is basically a fake number, since the other nations could not call it in. All of the world's economies are interconnected to us. If China owned 10 Tillion of that debt and called it in, and we can't pay it, it would crash our economy, which would crash their economy.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67959 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:36 am to

The only way I can imagine avoiding complete collapse and then a new beginning is for some unlimited almost free energy source (cold fusion) to emerge along with robots that will make the goods and food people need almost free and in unlimited quantities.

Money and debt would have no real meaning.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6141 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:03 am to
Japan holds more US debt than China.

US foreign-owned debt (January 2023)
Japan $1,104,400,000,000
China $859,400,000,000
United Kingdom $668,300,000,000
Belgium $331,100,000,000
Luxembourg $318,200,000,000
Switzerland $290,500,000,000
The Cayman Islands $285,300,000,000
Canada $254,100,000,000
Ireland $253,400,000,000
Taiwan $234,600,000,000

The majority of the debt is owed to US Taxpayers. If the fed chooses not to pay that it would be far worse than not paying the other countries.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 9:06 am
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21909 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:10 am to
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There's no country that's going to come get their debts from the US. Except maybe China.


China holds less than 1trillion of our debt


They have been diversifying out of the dollar for a decade
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21909 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:13 am to
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he number one holder of US Debt is US citizens. All your retirement has some in it


Correct
Less than 8 trillion of our 33 trillion debt is owed to foreign entities

The rest is owed by American taxpayers
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13901 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:27 am to
We have to keep fighting for freedom across the globe.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26183 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:39 am to
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C'est quoi ça?

Fais-le mieux; rends-le excellent = excellerate.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14497 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:50 am to
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Even if you started today with a clean slate, AT, as soon as you scribbled the numbers there would be a Debt. The Government spending more than it takes in via taxes defines the Debt,


And good luck borrowing more money after you screwed over the people you borrowed it from. So...hyperinflation.

There is no silver bullet.

Step one-balance the annual budget
This cannot be done without entitlement reform

Step two-keep paying down your debt on time.

Step three- generate some small surpluses to accelerate step two.

In 30ish years, we can wipe out the national debt. The hardest part is entitlement reform.
Posted by Csmims
Orange Beach Alabama
Member since Jan 2019
1845 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:04 am to
Get the DIMS out of power
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15317 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:10 am to
Lol Covid has US fingerprints All over it. Was used to create a buffer as US began transitioning to decoupling
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29174 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:14 am to
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should take care of most of it


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