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re: How do we start over with no national debt?
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:00 am to mahdragonz
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:00 am to mahdragonz
The number one holder of US Debt is US citizens. All your retirement has some in it
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:05 am to ApexTiger
Lets just do the same thing Biden is doing with student loan debt, lets just forgive the debt and start over
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:06 am to ApexTiger
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800 billion in annual interest?
Debt service is a major drag on maintenance of infrastructure and government functions.
NYC did that back in the late 1960's and early 1970's. After a liberal binge of massive borrowing for social spending, the rosy illusions turned to dust and the city was left with crippling debt service. Schools, roads, bridges, criminal justice and all vital services were simply neglected.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:06 am to ApexTiger
Even if you started today with a clean slate, AT, as soon as you scribbled the numbers there would be a Debt. The Government spending more than it takes in via taxes defines the Debt, and given societally comprehensive Government expenditures (Socialism), the only way debt is nullified is to redefine 'debt'. I.e., redefine/alter our Government as Socialist.
The most outrageous statement that Trump has made (IMO) was the "we will never be a Socialist Nation". That ship has sailed long hence.
The most outrageous statement that Trump has made (IMO) was the "we will never be a Socialist Nation". That ship has sailed long hence.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:12 am to udtiger
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Mint a 33 trillion dollar coin
ETA - not serious, but someone will say this.
Of course you're not serious. Everyone knows it'd have to be a bill instead of a coin.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 8:13 am
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:12 am to ApexTiger
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How do we start over with no national debt?
Tell the Fed we've paid enough and to frick off.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:24 am to bamaswallows
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Send China a bill for Covid.
Uh, the problem with this is that the trail leads right back to us. Fauci and other bad actors in the US were neck deep in it.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:25 am to ApexTiger
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fiat money policy
Yes.
And once you deploy that system, the final outcome can't go anywhere but eventual corruption/collapse.
It' predestined.
There may be a way out of this collapse , Receivership.
Place the entire federal government into Receivership.
Congress could appoint a judge to oversee this process since the country technically cannot declare bankruptcy.
Layoff all federal employees except the USPS and Customs.
Send all regular military to state national guard and have only 2 days of training per month (get national guard pay).
Sell all federal assets (buildings, equipment, military equipment (here is your chance to buy an F-15).
Cut congressional pay to US median average pay and no benefits, same for president and federal judges. Eliminate all staff.
Receiver re -negotiates all federal debts.
Eliminate fiat currency. Eliminate the federal reserve.
Enforce a federal balanced budget going forward.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:27 am to bamaswallows
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Send China a bill for Covid. Reduce that amount from the amount we currently owe them - should take care of most of it
what a great suggestion - just do it.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:29 am to TrueTiger
At the moment, that 33 Trillion is basically a fake number, since the other nations could not call it in. All of the world's economies are interconnected to us. If China owned 10 Tillion of that debt and called it in, and we can't pay it, it would crash our economy, which would crash their economy.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:36 am to saints5021
The only way I can imagine avoiding complete collapse and then a new beginning is for some unlimited almost free energy source (cold fusion) to emerge along with robots that will make the goods and food people need almost free and in unlimited quantities.
Money and debt would have no real meaning.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:03 am to ApexTiger
Japan holds more US debt than China.
US foreign-owned debt (January 2023)
Japan $1,104,400,000,000
China $859,400,000,000
United Kingdom $668,300,000,000
Belgium $331,100,000,000
Luxembourg $318,200,000,000
Switzerland $290,500,000,000
The Cayman Islands $285,300,000,000
Canada $254,100,000,000
Ireland $253,400,000,000
Taiwan $234,600,000,000
The majority of the debt is owed to US Taxpayers. If the fed chooses not to pay that it would be far worse than not paying the other countries.
US foreign-owned debt (January 2023)
Japan $1,104,400,000,000
China $859,400,000,000
United Kingdom $668,300,000,000
Belgium $331,100,000,000
Luxembourg $318,200,000,000
Switzerland $290,500,000,000
The Cayman Islands $285,300,000,000
Canada $254,100,000,000
Ireland $253,400,000,000
Taiwan $234,600,000,000
The majority of the debt is owed to US Taxpayers. If the fed chooses not to pay that it would be far worse than not paying the other countries.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 9:06 am
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:10 am to mahdragonz
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There's no country that's going to come get their debts from the US. Except maybe China.
China holds less than 1trillion of our debt
They have been diversifying out of the dollar for a decade
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:13 am to MsState of mind
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he number one holder of US Debt is US citizens. All your retirement has some in it
Correct
Less than 8 trillion of our 33 trillion debt is owed to foreign entities
The rest is owed by American taxpayers
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:27 am to ApexTiger
We have to keep fighting for freedom across the globe.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:39 am to Guetteur
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C'est quoi ça?
Fais-le mieux; rends-le excellent = excellerate.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:50 am to RCDfan1950
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Even if you started today with a clean slate, AT, as soon as you scribbled the numbers there would be a Debt. The Government spending more than it takes in via taxes defines the Debt,
And good luck borrowing more money after you screwed over the people you borrowed it from. So...hyperinflation.
There is no silver bullet.
Step one-balance the annual budget
This cannot be done without entitlement reform
Step two-keep paying down your debt on time.
Step three- generate some small surpluses to accelerate step two.
In 30ish years, we can wipe out the national debt. The hardest part is entitlement reform.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:04 am to ApexTiger
Get the DIMS out of power
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:10 am to SloaneRanger
Lol Covid has US fingerprints All over it. Was used to create a buffer as US began transitioning to decoupling
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:14 am to bamaswallows
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should take care of most of it
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