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re: How big a role did Russia play in WWII?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:19 pm to BoomNation
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:19 pm to BoomNation
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if hitler hadn't effed up and attacked a Russian allied country. Russia would've probably stuck with the axis
Ummmm, no. After killing all the Jews, Hitler’s main goal was to conquer Russia, enslave all the Slavs, and provide more living space for Aryan families to frick like rabbits and have a dozen kids.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:21 pm to OMLandshark
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but they’re not fricking heroes.
Exactly and let's not forget what the Russians did to US POW's captured by the Germans.
Screw em
Imprisoned and murdered US POW's
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The Soviet Union under dictator Josef Stalin “summarily executed” some American prisoners after World War II and forced others, some of whom are still alive, to renounce their citizenship, Russian President Boris N. Yeltsin said in a letter to a Senate committee Wednesday.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:22 pm to Tridentds
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Well... if Germany had kept the peace with Russia instead of breaking it then they probably rule Europe today.
That was never an option. A Nazi Germany could theoretically coexist with a British Empire, but it could not with a Soviet Union. In order for Nazism to work, communism must be destroyed and the Slavs must be enslaved.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:24 pm to crescentcity
I wonder how things would have changed if we negotiated with the Japanese (before Pearl Harbor) and waited it out while Nazi Germany fought Soviet Union.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:25 pm to OMLandshark
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That was never an option. A Nazi Germany could theoretically coexist with a British Empire, but it could not with a Soviet Union. In order for Nazism to work, communism must be destroyed and the Serbs must be enslaved.
Slavs, not Serbs.
But you're making good points.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:28 pm to crescentcity
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:37 pm to OMLandshark
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To be fair I find the Russians agreeing to it to be one of the dumbest moves in world history. Did no one advising Stalin read Mein Kampf? Hitler warned the world what he would do if he took power, and lebensraum was one of the key features of Nazism not a bug.
Stalin had actually made efforts for an alliance with France and Britain before the German-Soviet pact. He pretty much got no where and then he signed with the Germans. He thought that it would buy him time. The pact was signed and the deal was made to divide up Poland. Poland was no friend of the USSR and Hitler had tried to negotiate with the Polish government but had failed. When Britain and France guaranteed the Poles that they would come to their aid, the Poles were emboldened and refused any compromise with Hitler.This actually provided Hitler a "jumping off point" for the invasion of the USSR. Their territory was right next to each other after Poland was divided.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:43 pm to crescentcity
They supplied the warm bodies for a lot of bullets.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:45 pm to crescentcity
What a weird thread. Yeah they played a big role in WW2 and they also played a big role in the Cold War. Russia is not our friend and never has been (not since the Bolshevik Revolution anyways). Trying to pump them up as the good guys is foolish.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:48 pm to crescentcity
quote:They were the single biggest player.
How big a role did Russia play in WWII?
quote:You have a gift for understatement.
I’ll tell you how much. A lot. They played a big role
quote:Careful. That is the kind of leap that can cause whiplash.
Honestly, I would rather form a strong alliance with Russia, and leave France, Italy, Germany, UK, you know the week sisters behind.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:51 pm to Zach
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The philosophy was numbers, not quality
Stalin had a saying,
"quantity, has a quality all its own."
Posted on 5/9/20 at 4:51 pm to Fat Bastard
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shoulda listened to churchhill on many things.
Shoulda listened to General G.S. Patton.
He had a plan for the Ruskies.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 5:04 pm to crescentcity
In it's inception up to their necks. Invading and taking territory. In fact they drove some that would have never faced off against the Brits into the NAZI camp. There is an American Ranger hero with a military installation named after him who fought the Russians in the days leading up to WWII when they invaded his Nordic country. Then joined the German SS when his country capitulated to fight the Russians again. When WWII ended he got away and sailed on a cargo ship as a worker and jumped over board in the Mobile bay and swam to shore. He found his way to an America Army post and talked them into taking him on as a private in the infantry. He volunteered for Ranger training and fought in Korea and made rank and was a selected special forces airborne ranger in Vietnam. An Army legend as a matter of fact. He died jumping into a surrounded special forces camp which was a suicide mission and he was the only volunteer. An installation here in the states bears his name.
He fought for his home country against the reds, fought for the SS against the reds then fought the bastards again in Vietnam for his adopted land, America. But yeah Russia was a bad actor in starting up WWII and was allied with Germany for a time when they thought they would get all this territory out of the alliance.
He fought for his home country against the reds, fought for the SS against the reds then fought the bastards again in Vietnam for his adopted land, America. But yeah Russia was a bad actor in starting up WWII and was allied with Germany for a time when they thought they would get all this territory out of the alliance.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 5:10 pm to crescentcity
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How big a role did Russia play in WWII?
The Russian Winter, Lend Lease, and Hitler out running his supply lines.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 5:13 pm to Fat Bastard
Hitlers biggest blunder was redirecting his northern army south to Stalingrad when they had Moscow in their sights. Had he not done this, the Nazis would have taken Moscow before winter.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 5:14 pm to AggieHank86
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They were the single biggest player
How many countries did they fight in?
How much equipment and armor did
they provide to the allies?
Seizing the Kuril islands after the Japanese surrender doesn't count.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 5:51 pm to crescentcity
The allies were not winning without Russia.
I don’t think that’s debatable.
Also the Jews were not going to be sent to the camps if FDR would have agreed to take them. But he turned down hitler and the same week the horrific final solution was initiated.
I don’t think that’s debatable.
Also the Jews were not going to be sent to the camps if FDR would have agreed to take them. But he turned down hitler and the same week the horrific final solution was initiated.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 5:55 pm to crescentcity
It is true they played a massive role. They carried the lion’s share of fighting in Europe. But, and this is a very big but, Russia would have never been able to do so without resources supplied by America.
Had it not been for American resources the Red Army infantry would have been a walking, starving barefoot mob. Red Army tanks would have been immobilized at the factory due to lack of fuel, their artillery would have to be horse drawn for lack of transport, and the Luftwaffe would totally own the sky due to the fact Russian planes would be sitting at their base with empty fuel tanks.
Had it not been for American resources the Red Army infantry would have been a walking, starving barefoot mob. Red Army tanks would have been immobilized at the factory due to lack of fuel, their artillery would have to be horse drawn for lack of transport, and the Luftwaffe would totally own the sky due to the fact Russian planes would be sitting at their base with empty fuel tanks.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:54 pm to Shiftyplus1
Shifty, Here here you are correct on all the US supplied and had to figure out the logistics to get it all there.
We also supplied much of the bullets, MREs, boots etc.
We were hugely responsible for Russia backing up Germany and their operation Barbarosa.
I must admire Russia for the double envelopment maneuver that turned the tide named.....operation Uranus.
We also supplied much of the bullets, MREs, boots etc.
We were hugely responsible for Russia backing up Germany and their operation Barbarosa.
I must admire Russia for the double envelopment maneuver that turned the tide named.....operation Uranus.
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