re: House approves war powers resolution.

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Biden turned the 20 year involvement in Afghanistan into a clusterfrick?

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No, idiot, he turned the withdrawal into a clusterfrick.

Did you not know about that at the time? It was big news.

I'm really disappointed in your posts of late. You're saying some really, really, stupid shite.

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Yes, war should be a congressional power.

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Mmmmmm, I guess I would agree with that the same way I would agree that the United States should be a representative republic.

Which is to say, I would agree with it if the framer's original vision was still what was being expressed in our government.

But it's not.

For example, the framers never thought or intended that being a representative republic should mean that every American adult who can fog a mirror gets to vote for the POTUS (or at all, for that matter). They would have laughed at that idea, and probably had trouble believing that whoever floated it was serious.

Likewise, Congress was originally involved in war because Congress was given the power of the purse. They have to pay for it, and wars are expensive.

But that was before somebody thought up Social Security, and Medicare, and SNAP, and a dozen other ways for the federal government to spend incomprehensible sums of money. That was when they still intended for government to remain mostly at the state and local level.

Since the government has become what it has become, I'm not sure it makes as much sense as it did then to put Congress in charge of declaring war. Or maybe instead of a 90 day limit after which the POTUS has to seek Congressional approval, there should be a monetary limit instead.

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Ok but how does Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan, after having been there fighting the Taliban for 20 years, have anything to do with Trump starting a war with Iran?

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Probably just your hypocrisy in the matter. Criticizing Trump for what you perceive to be incompetence while ignoring Biden's much worse incompetence in the one military operation he headed up as CIC.

So I guessing nothing as pertains to Trump and everything as pertains to you.

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I’m sorry I disappointed you daddy

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Yeah, I just didn't remember you being such a dumbass on here. I had you in my mind as a poster with whom I mostly disagreed, but not one who would parrot dumb leftist talking points.

Could just be me misremembering.

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The difference is Biden didn’t start the conflict in Afghanistan

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So what? You can only be incompetent starting something rather than pulling out of something?

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Still doesn’t make this Iran shite trump started not an absolute shite show.

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You saying it is one doesn't make it one either.

I would disagree with your characterization and I would also note that at this point in the game the measure of success is pretty much in the eye of the beholder.

If this were a football game we'd be about five minutes in.

Are you still trying to defend the indefensible? Let me make this easy for you. Trump may not be handling the war very well as of late. I won’t deny that. But he has an extremely long way to go before he reaches the same level of breathtaking stupidity the Biden administration reached while pulling out of Afghanistan.

What war? We have spent more time negotiating and observing a ceasefire than we have in actual combat operations. Which is the source of the frustration some of us have with Trump right now. I know I’m frustrated. I try to keep in mind that Trump knows more than the rest of us do right now. Maybe he has a very good reason for doing things the way he is doing them. It just seems like we are just spinning our wheels though. We could have cut a deal they will never honor without a war. It doesn’t matter if it’s a terrible deal or a outstanding deal. They will never honor it in the first place. If we are going to change things with Iran and actually get something out of all of this other than a worthless piece of paper full of broken promises then we need to finish this regime off.

So goodbye to the notion of benefit of surprise in the opening of a military operation, under this “Congressional approval” scenario, as you’re envisioning or referring to it.

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So goodbye to the notion of benefit of surprise in the opening of a military operation, under this “Congressional approval” scenario, as you’re envisioning or referring to it.

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Yeah. You could say the Founding Fathers prioritized “checks and balances “and “segregation of duties” above the element of surprise.

They were more concerned about the element of surprise happening to the American People.

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Yours wasn't informative at all, since you sidestepped the question.

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Your implication is that the Constitution clearly outlines how Congress can practically legislate limits on executive military action despite the president being commander in chief.

I have not read that article or section of the Constitution. Can you quote it for me?

ETA I have to note that I’m saying the president actually does seem to wield this power and the board’s response is still negative.