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re: Honest question: what is the explanation of the ballistics with Charlie?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:38 am to SeeeeK
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:38 am to SeeeeK
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to be fair, the human body is remarkable
there was a kid in our HS, who tried to dead himself, but the bullet was stopped by his skull, and it actually just lodged under his skin, and against his skull.
From a 30.06???? I don't believe that.
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:43 am to lake chuck fan
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From a 30.06???? I don't believe that.
where did i say a 30.06????? read more obviously, post a little less
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:43 am to CharlesLSU
Here ya go...... as you watch this 3 minute video, consider how soft neck tissue is...
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:48 am to SeeeeK
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From a 30.06???? I don't believe that.
where did i say a 30.06????? read more obviously, post a little less
Thats why there's question mark.
It was a question.
This thread is about Charlie being shot
with a 30.06.
Answer the question.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:33 am to CharlesLSU
What happened to the theory that it hit his vest first and ricocheted up?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:50 am to ChineseBandit58
300 Blackout with frangible round/ammunition - fired from short distance with short-barreled rifle, example - Daniel Defense DDM4-V7P with stabilizing brace, so says former CIA person.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:51 am to CharlesLSU
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I know all about the 30-06 and at 200yds, I’d expect MUCH more damage.
If you assume the ricochet theory then I would also assume that took a lot of energy out of the bullet. Also sounds like the ricochet altered the path vertical into his neck with no exit wound. In that scenario I would expect massive internal damage.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:52 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:54 am to SeeeeK
what the heck is this "dead himself" usage? Why can't we say "kill himself" or just "commit suicide"?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:55 am to CharlesLSU
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Thoughts?
I've shot enough deer to know that exit wounds are all over the place. I've seen a 300WM leave a hole so small it took us a bit to find it, and the deer never took a step so it hit what it needed to.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:55 am to llfshoals
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That everything isn’t a conspiracy theory. Kid shot Charlie and killed him and should be put down like the rabid dog he is.
Maybe so, but based off of the evidence we have been given, we can NOT, beyond a shadow of a doubt, conclude it was the same person that they're saying it was. Tyler Robinson.
Out of hundreds of cameras, or more, we have yet to see a perfect picture of Tyler. There is evidence that it was not him.
Everyone wants to put a thing in a bottle, set it on their mantle, and say "that's that," and move on. But i posit to everyone that is keeping track.... how many times have the "conspiracy theorists" been right over the last decade or so?
If you believe what the news media feeds you at face value, that is your prerogative, but many of us have learned the media only exists to paint a picture with half truths or blatant lies, for reasons.
1. We never saw him take a shot from the roof
2. We never saw the rifle with him on the roof (or ever?)
3. The father and family and Tyler himself deny that he did it
4. The ballistics for a 30-06, while plausible, are not likely for what we saw happen
5. We had a man there trying to distract for the shooter to get away (odd)
6. We are supposed to assume that this kid, who was not going to attend UVU, somehow knew the layout of the campus, exactly how to get onto the perfect roof top, take a shot, and escape
7. The text messages released were very strange, objectively
8. We do have two separate videos that look very much worth investigating. One from a possible shooter behind Charlie from a building in a dark window where you see a puff of smoke timed perfectly for the shot. We also have a video of someone that looked like he used something from his arm in front of Charlie.
9. I'm not sure if we even found the bullet, did we?
10. The way they had a doctor/autopsy person certify his death, have him embalmed, and buried in record time despite the gravity of this situation knowing we would all want to see and know the evidence. I think there was something to the doctors/autopsy guys being new or questionable about their jobs done.
11. The kid has ties to the CIA, so jot that one down. He was not an agent, but there was a direct connection with him.
These are all just off the top of my head.
We are all brothers here. We all want the same things in life. Let us not tear into each other for having questions. We have seen what our government and media will do (JFK) to lie to us. None of these entities are altruistic. They are bought and paid for, and legacy news and MSM are increasingly distrusted for all of their lies by both sides of the political spectrum. I know we all WANT it to be Tyler, and we want to believe justice will be had so we can rest at night.... the implications are scary, otherwise.
But I think we should do ourselves a favor and not be emotional about this subject when it comes to understanding exactly what did happen that day.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:00 am to CharlesLSU
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what is the explanation of the ballistics with Charlie?
We don’t know what kind of loading it was, assuming it really was 30-06. It could have been a 110gr bullet or a 180gr bullet or anywhere in between. We don’t know if these were max pressure loads or reduced recoil loads or anywhere in between (30-06 is very versatile for hand loading). It could have been a regular cup and core bullet (if it was a hunting round) that tend to fragment without making an exit wound as opposed to a bonded lead bullet or a copper bullet that would have almost certainly pushed through to exit.
As far as I know they haven’t released the load data yet (they might never) but it is likely that a cup and core hunting bullet, on the lower end of the bullet weight range for a 30-06, could have hit bone, fragmented, and not made an exit hole.
It’s not hard to load a 125gr (smallish bullet for a 30-06) to around 2700fps which is less powerful than a standard 6.5 cripplemoor load but is just fine for recoil-sensitive hunters wanting to cleanly kill 250lb animals. My uncle shoots a round like that with a cup and core bullet and it sometimes doesn’t exit on large deer but they don’t take many steps after receiving that lead pill - even large axis deer.
So it’s very plausible that the gun really could have been a 30-06 and Charlie could have been shot with it without an exit wound.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:01 am to CharlesLSU
While I hunt with a 30-06 and completely disagree with the conspiracy crap, my most interesting ballistic encounter was squirrel hunting with a .22. I shot a squirrel in the hindquarter(dumb shot) and the bullet hit the spine at a near 90 degree angle and traveled all the way up the spine and then severed the spine at the neck where the squirrel’s head was turned to the side.
My point is that bullets can do really weird shite that can seem unexplainable without all the info. I shot a squirrel in the arse and I picked it up and it had a broken neck. Wtf
My point is that bullets can do really weird shite that can seem unexplainable without all the info. I shot a squirrel in the arse and I picked it up and it had a broken neck. Wtf
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:09 am to CharlesLSU
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know all about the 30-06 and at 200yds, I’d expect MUCH more damage. Thoughts?
My thought is that we will likely learn a lot more when a trial nears. Until then this is going to be a near counterproductive exercise that produces half truths and weird rumors.
At this point I’m chalking it up as we don’t know enough but the official narrative is probably true and we will learn the few data points that make it tie through but that it’s possible something won’t actually connect
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:13 am to TrueTiger
Alex Jones with the win... again.
Of all the explanations of what happened his makes the most sense. And no conspiracy theories needed.
We have text from the shooter that support the fact that he was the shooter. I wouldn't categorize the angle exactly the way he did but obviously the angle was enough.
Of all the explanations of what happened his makes the most sense. And no conspiracy theories needed.
We have text from the shooter that support the fact that he was the shooter. I wouldn't categorize the angle exactly the way he did but obviously the angle was enough.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:26 am to TDTOM
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TDTOM
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:26 am to dnm3305
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He was shot from behind
I dismissed it initially, but I'm giving it a more serious look. The damage from 30-06 should have been way more. It should have gone straight through him and blasted several people on the back end.
If it hasn't been confirmed that he wore a vest, then something is off.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:30 am to m2pro
quote:What do you win if you are right?
m2pro
Posted on 10/4/25 at 9:44 am to Ag Zwin
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What happened to the theory that it hit his vest first and ricocheted up?
There's no soft body armor that can stop a 30.06 round fired from 200 yards.
Hard plates would be needed. I'm not a expert in body armor, but it seems like body armor utilizing a hard plate would be easily recognizable if worn under his t-shirt. IMHO
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