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re: Higher education bubble is bursting ...

Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:36 am to
Posted by laxtonto
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:36 am to
The percentage that the state and federal governments fund colleges and universities is majorly overestimated by the average person.

Every time I hear the “my tax dollars “ talking point I smile knowing that the abandonment of university and college funding by the state and federal government drove a lot of this.

As an an example, most large enrollment schools receive so little proportional direct funding that they technically qualify as private institutions according to federal designations. That means that what was used to be paid for by the state has to instead be generated in revenues. Unfortunately, it is getting worse not better.

If you cut education funding k-12 and people will scream bloody murder. If you cut university funding and people will parade around the endowment numbers of the top 50 universities and neglect to mention the other 1700 that are running on a shoestring budget now.

Right now, the “student share” ie what isn’t funded elsewhere is approximately 40% in 2025. In 1980 it was 21%, in 1950 it was closer to 8-12%. Pre-WW2 it was closer to 5%.

That means that what was used to be paid for by the state has to instead be generated in revenues. That, unfortunately, has led to academics making profit decisions instead of academic decisions, and well, let’s just say they don’t do it well. Worse, instead, you bring in business-minded individuals, and they don’t comprehend the weirdness and eclectic nature of academia and make revenue-only decisions at the cost of things needed to make academia run.

Also, please don’t conflate grant funded research with state and federal funding. Available grants (for “real” research, not the purple hair USAID lines) continue to trend upward and very simply are way more slanted towards value for the government than if this were ever done via industry. This is one sided, but still great for both sides anyway. The $$ is not equitable, but the schools and, more importantly, the students get access to these higher-level real-world opportunities and are the best real teachers to prepare students for the real world.

The worst part is that we are now, as a society, paying the price of forcing schools to change their funding models. Inflation and the cliff in available enrollment pool combined with a the need to generate revenue for survival has built the bullshite degree Ponzi scheme and now we have to find a way to cull that rot in the system while still providing education to the students to keep the modern knowledge dissemination environment moving forward.

These bullshite degrees are partly driven by the logic of “If you can’t get the money-making demographic to go to your school, you need degree paths that interest and attract other demographics”. Schools started the “blank” studies majors as a way to show differentiation in their programs to attract students and that has had much worse unintended consequences than people every thought it would.

Schools needed to attract students to offset the fixed costs that the state and federal funding cuts to balance their budgets, and never considered what those “options” would do long-term to the rest of the system.

As an example, we complain about a teacher shortage and then never ask why we incentivize our non-STEM students to look at the “blank” studies degree paths instead of education anymore?

A degree in education was the landing spot for many college students who didn’t have a driving direction early and needed a “home” at the university level. Now, between the horrific classroom experiences of the modern day gladiatorial high school environment, the pay of modern teachers, and very simply poor internal marketing of most colleges of education, you aren’t getting those students and instead many drift to the other fringe degree programs instead. It’s a zero-sum system, and education is one of the fields that is taking an enrollment hit for these “blank” study programs.

It’s no longer that I want to go to college, and then some students getting here and realizing I want to be pre-med isn’t to happen, and so you funnel yourself into the other available options and end up in education. Now, many end up in diversity studies, ethnic studies, gender studies, Asian studies, etc., instead of education. And yes, many of those students still go and get a post-bac teaching certification, but the damage is already done on how they view the system and increases the negative feedback loop in our primary and secondary education systems.

The US university system is a mess right now and both academia and the state and federal government are both to blame. And yet, it is still the best in the world.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 8:45 am
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:55 am to
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They should start by eliminating Schools of Gender Studies and Community Organizers. Then get rid of all the other woke, useless, Schools within the systems.


The shorter version of this is we need to do away with vast swaths of Liberal Arts as a major, much less graduate degrees.

Examples:
-Philosophy
-Psychology
-Sociology
-Political Science
-Anthropology
-Art History
-Music History
-Theater
-Dance
-Film Studies
-Gender/Women's studies
-Ethnic/Cultural studies
-Media studies

Every single one of those should be, at most, a class or two within another curriculum. They bring little-to-nothing to society nor the job market. If someone wants to specialize in it, that should be something they pursue on their own outside of the university system.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63689 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:58 am to
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Every single one of those should be, at most, a class or two within another curriculum. They bring little-to-nothing to society nor the job market.


This is retarded.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299685 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:01 am to
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-Political Science


I dont believe this one is like the others.

Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
2787 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:07 am to
I think the current idea of the Trump admin is that you can't use federal loan money for non-net-positive revenue-generating degrees.

I don't care if you want a degree in women's studies, if you pay for it yourself. Then, when you get a job paying very little, you are still above the poverty line and are not paying back student loans.

Then, due to the glory of the free market, 95% of those programs die due to lack of enrollment and the world fixes itself.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20091 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:10 am to
Once colleges figured out there was unlimited money to put butts in seats they quit worrying about providing a competitive product and made it to where any moron could get a degree.

What happens when everyone has a degree? They become worthless.
Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
2787 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:18 am to
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What happens when everyone has a degree? They become worthless.


Unfortunately, there is a lot of truth to this, but it is also a chicken-or-egg issue.

Once we went to "No Child Left Behind," everyone was supposed to be college material, and to make this work, the policy required secondary education to dumb down expectations to meet requirements.

As a result, the pool of available applicants for Colleges and Universities worsened. The top will always be the top, but the middle and the floor drastically changed. That means, unfortunately, the dumbing down of the collegiate curriculum to meet the Dept Ed's funding requirements as well.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13481 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:19 am to
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That's exactly what Google said when I asked why.


So now we have to import foreigners to keep colleges afloat as well as pay taxes because our own people won't procreate?

Why not just stop subsidizing single parenthood and launch an anti-feminist propaganda campaign to repair the damage of the 60 year pro-feminist campaign that caused all of this in the first place and get our own people's population back up?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13481 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:24 am to
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I dont believe this one is like the others.


It pretty much is.

I think it's moronic to believe that society benefits when no one studies political science, but it's also moronic to believe that society benefits when no one studies philosophy. Matter of fact, society would benefit greatly by more people being exposed to philosophy. But on a board where simple logic is suspicious but aliens infiltrating society is assumed, I get why that post would end up here.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
90063 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:13 am to
The University of Louisiana at Lafayette is currently working to eliminate a \(\$12\) million budget gap. This represents a significant reduction from a peak financial shortfall of \(\$50\) million, achieved through deep cost-cutting measures, personnel reductions, and recent revenue enhancements.

Financial Snapshot: The university's current financial situation involves tackling operating losses and accumulated debt from previous years:Total Deficit Reduction: The university has successfully reduced its financial deficit from an estimated \(\$50\) million down to roughly \(\$12\) million.

Factors: The shortfall has been driven by a mix of recurring operating deficits, accumulated debt (including notable deficits within the athletic department), and recent enrollment declines.Cost-Cutting MeasuresTo mitigate the deficit, under the leadership of President Dr. Ramesh Kolluru, the university has implemented severe cost controls:Personnel Cuts: The university has enacted hiring and travel freezes, and eliminated or consolidated over 80 positions, including multiple high-level staff roles.

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Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
59271 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:16 am to
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This is retarded.


Where's the economic demand for those, especially when considering the supply versus the demand?
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18531 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:19 am to
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Can some of those teachers, if they are good, go teach the youts so they can actually READ by the time they get to college?
most college professors are not qualified to teach education at the k-12 level of public schools
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
66663 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:21 am to
From the comments on X

quote:

Chris King
@ChrisKi02048388
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The jig is up. The student loan racket has ran its course. 35 yr run. Not to bad. College was once for the best of the best. We dumbed it down. Invited everyone. And told millions of kids to borrow money to get a bullshite degree. What a joke
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
2631 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:21 am to
It doesn’t hurt my feelings one bit to see Clemson struggling.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117584 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:24 am to
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This is why youre seeing a leap in foreign students.

A big reason for their success is that English has become the global language. Lots of foreign students in their HS take English as their foreign language elective. It wasn't like that back in day. Air Traffic controllers around the world have to speak English to get a job.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
59271 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:31 am to
quote:

quote:

-Political Science
I dont believe this one is like the others.


How so?
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
1842 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:35 am to
Those majors are fine, the problem is that the loans are guaranteed.

Put the lenders at severe risk for making such terrible investments.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4228 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:50 am to
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The price of college for how accessible it is nowadays is ridiculous.


Honestly, for what college is today, it would probably be 10x cheaper to do a combination of self-study, paid (or even unpaid) internships, and maybe pay for some tutor & networking services to round it out.

No need for dorms, meal plans, bullshite fees, tuition that pays for pretentious tenured professors etc.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 10:51 am
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90063 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:28 am to
so the government gets into the housing industry and prices explode

the government gets into the medical industry and prices explode

the government gets into higher education and prices explode

seems like a pattern
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5078 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:47 am to
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State universities are non-profits.


Thank God, if they were for profit they would have some splainin' to do.
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