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re: Higher education bubble is bursting ...
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:48 am to Bard
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:48 am to Bard
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Where's the economic demand for those, especially when considering the supply versus the demand?
There’s some for some for those, but you can’t boil education down to purely economic demand.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:51 am to L.A.
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Chris King
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The jig is up. The student loan racket has ran its course. 35 yr run. Not to bad. College was once for the best of the best. We dumbed it down. Invited everyone. And told millions of kids to borrow money to get a bullshite degree. What a joke
Thanks, Chris. It never fails.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:20 pm to Houag80
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My first semester was $988 with 7 day board.
Books were another ~$150.
Tuition was $4 per credit hour.
Those were the days....
Early 70s at the UofSC ...
Tuition was $15 per credit hour.
Books were about $150 if I remember correctly ... they went up every year and it depended upon used or new.
Board was $150 a month for a small dorm room that we shared, two bunks, two minimalist desks and two small three drawer chests maybe 30 inches wide.
Food was completely separate of course. Avg meal was $3.50 and you hoped to be able to eat twice a day ... either a sub, a burger and fries, pizza, or a meat and three veggies plate were pretty much your choices.
Most of us had part time jobs making $1.60 an hour ... you hoped to work 25 hours a week after class and on Saturdays and Sundays.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:45 pm to Turnblad85
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The next democrat president will bail them out with taxpayer money. Higher education is an important part of their circle of life.
Young people get indoctrinated with lies --
Their federal student loans go to support the extreme-Left faculty --
They take their useless degree and get a job with the fedgov. --
they are lifelong supporters of excessive government spending because their livelihood requires it.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:47 pm to scrooster
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For much of the mid-20th century, from the 1940s through the 1970s, students and families shouldered a relatively small share of college costs. The student share of education revenue stayed low during these decades, typically in the single digits early on and only gradually climbing toward 15–20% by the late 1970s.
Part of the reason was that many Southern states kept tuition unusually low for in-state students for a long time, effectively subsidizing public higher education more generously than other regions. As a result, average out-of-pocket costs remained modest. Public four-year tuition and fees often ran well under a few hundred dollars a year in the 1940s and 1950s. Even by the mid-1960s, the national average for public four-year institutions was only around $243, rising to roughly $394 by 1970–71 and $542 by 1975–76. For many veterans, the GI Bill covered tuition and provided a living stipend, meaning actual cash paid out of pocket was often very low or nonexistent.
Things began to shift in the 1980s. The student share of costs started rising more noticeably, moving from 20.9% in 1980 into the 21–28% range by the end of the decade. Average out-of-pocket expenses at public four-year colleges climbed into the $1,000–2,500 range (in nominal dollars). This upward trend continued through the 1990s as the student share reached 28–35%, with typical out-of-pocket costs landing between $2,000 and $4,500. Real state support wasn’t keeping pace with rising costs, so more of the burden gradually shifted to students and families.
The pace of change accelerated in the 2000s and especially the 2010s. By 2008, the student share had reached 35.8%, and it peaked at 47.5% in 2013 in the wake of the Great Recession, when many states cut funding.
During this period, average out-of-pocket costs at public four-year institutions rose sharply — often landing between $4,000 and $8,000 in the 2000s and climbing to $8,000–13,000 in the 2010s. More recently, in the 2020s, the student share has eased back somewhat, falling to 38.4% by 2025 as states restored some funding. Even so, nominal out-of-pocket costs remain high, typically in the $10,000–15,000+ range for public four-year colleges.
Overall, while the student share of costs has roughly doubled or tripled since the 1940s, the actual dollar amounts families pay have grown dramatically over the decades.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:49 pm to scrooster
Budgeting for their NIL contracts?
Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:56 pm to Mo Jeaux
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There’s some for some for those, but you can’t boil education down to purely economic demand.
There's little to no demand for many of those, but they have emotional appeal and that's why so many flock to them. Instead of being realistic with incoming students about these fields and lack of opportunities within them, they blew smoke up their asses about how they had some sort of future and that caused demand for them to grow.
They then used that greater demand to expand them even further beyond what the market wants (much less needs).
And now we have a surplus of degreed Starbucks employees.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/18/26 at 1:25 pm to laxtonto
My wife is ten years younger than I ... and she's a Columbia grad. She's the U.S. head of HR for a Fortune 50 multinational.
She was a Business major, Industrial Relations, and she eventually earned her Masters ... along with the SHRM and Six Sigma stuff (that's a whole 'nuther discussion). She's a member of the SHRM Executive Network.
She's currently sponsoring seven student interns, her field specific interns, that she'll mentor for the next three months. She's done it every year for something like the past eight years ... although it started with just two.
This year two of the interns (she doesn't get to pick and choose, the UofSC and Clemson does that based upon whatever their metric dictates) ... two of her interns are Indian (dot) females, two are Chinese (both males), then there's one Japanese male, one Italian male, and one African-American female.
She and I both agree that that's very telling.
She was a Business major, Industrial Relations, and she eventually earned her Masters ... along with the SHRM and Six Sigma stuff (that's a whole 'nuther discussion). She's a member of the SHRM Executive Network.
She's currently sponsoring seven student interns, her field specific interns, that she'll mentor for the next three months. She's done it every year for something like the past eight years ... although it started with just two.
This year two of the interns (she doesn't get to pick and choose, the UofSC and Clemson does that based upon whatever their metric dictates) ... two of her interns are Indian (dot) females, two are Chinese (both males), then there's one Japanese male, one Italian male, and one African-American female.
She and I both agree that that's very telling.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:18 pm to scrooster
Good times! I remember when it moved to $2.10/hr....."we're rich bitch!" 
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:36 pm to laxtonto
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The percentage that the state and federal governments fund colleges and universities is majorly overestimated by the average person.
Every time I hear the “my tax dollars “ talking point I smile knowing that the abandonment of university and college funding by the state and federal government drove a lot of this.
As an an example, most large enrollment schools receive so little proportional direct funding that they technically qualify as private institutions according to federal designations. That means that what was used to be paid for by the state has to instead be generated in revenues. Unfortunately, it is getting worse not better.
If you cut education funding k-12 and people will scream bloody murder. If you cut university funding and people will parade around the endowment numbers of the top 50 universities and neglect to mention the other 1700 that are running on a shoestring budget now.
Right now, the “student share” ie what isn’t funded elsewhere is approximately 40% in 2025. In 1980 it was 21%, in 1950 it was closer to 8-12%. Pre-WW2 it was closer to 5%.
This isn't talked about NEARLY enough. This is a huge portion of why tuition is so expensive now. But it's not the complete story. There are also mandated administrative staff that are required by law. Title 9 coordinators, grief counselors, admin assistants, etc. The ratio of educational staff to administrators is getting worse by the year.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:46 pm to Shorter Yards
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Completely agree but how would they field a good football team?
As a former hardcore college sports fan who is now disinterested, they can shut all that shite down.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:59 pm to Mo Jeaux
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There’s some for some for those, but you can’t boil education down to purely economic demand.
It needs to be a major part of the equation especially since loans are typically involved. All of those majors listed have low job placement rates.
Yeah, they get educated, but that's not much consolation when they can't find well-paying jobs relative to the cost and debt incurred.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:00 pm to Houag80
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Good times! I remember when it moved to $2.10/hr....."we're rich bitch!"
Yeah ... my junior summer I worked construction on the VC Summer Par Shoals nuclear power plant helping to build the main power station as a scaffold builder ... for $5.15 an hour, 5 × 10s, and I was rolling in money that summer. Hard hot work. Saw Ted Nugent and Foreigner, and Foghat, play that summer in a hay field with 25k other kids just outside of Columbia.
The next summer I got a job as a bouncer on Long Island, (my roommate was from there) at a place called Hammerhead's ... huge, very popular, rock bar back then. I made $7.50 an hour living in West Islip, LI and knocking down tons of trim because of my Southern accent ... which I considered a bonus.
Good times.
Going into the city back in those days was like going into a war zone.
A lot of New Yorkers used to come to SC ... these days they go to Coastal. But it was cheaper for New Yorkers to pay out of state tuition down here than it was for them to attend in state schools up there. And we've always had a great business school, a great school of nursing, and a great criminal justice school.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:05 pm to Bigdawgb
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Honestly, for what college is today, it would probably be 10x cheaper to do a combination of self-study, paid (or even unpaid) internships, and maybe pay for some tutor & networking services to round it out.
No need for dorms, meal plans, bullshite fees, tuition that pays for pretentious tenured professors etc.
College is still affordable. It's the college lifestyle that is not, along with out-of-state or private school tuition.
If you live at home and go to a state school, college is still affordable. For example, there is no one in Louisiana that doesn't live within commuting distance of a 4-year university and a 2-year university, and likely more than one of each. And that's not even including technical colleges.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:47 pm to DeBoar
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pensions
Corporations cut out pensions due to cost so should ALL Government jobs INCLUDING SLIMEY POLITICIANS, teachers, and universities.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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College is still affordable. It's the college lifestyle that is not, along with out-of-state or private school tuition.
By lifestyle, you mean things like the experience of living on campus as a freshman?
Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:08 pm to djsdawg
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By lifestyle, you mean things like the experience of living on campus as a freshman?
Yes, among other things.
And that experience is important and valuable. But it is not required.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 9:32 pm to Dee_oh_Dee
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If you notice, the preK-12 population hasn't decreased over that time.
Under 18 is flat since 2010.
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