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re: Hey Democrats, if Kilmar Garcia isn’t MS-13, why does he have MS-13 tattooed on his hand?

Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:27 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466602 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:27 am to
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And we can debate the whole "mistaken deportation" thing, but that is in the past.


The illegality is always present until rectified
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
10997 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:28 am to
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Muh processes and procedures


This is the primary argument, though. When you really look at it.

We are a nation of laws, and those are dealt with using legal processes and procedures. Nobody cares for MS 13.
They care about the constitution.

I’m sure the Supreme Court doesn’t “support” MS-13. They make decisions regarding legal issues.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
76948 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:30 am to
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Don't feed him. He's having trouble taking the L.


The guy is an L.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62073 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:32 am to
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If the admin wants to have the prior order rescinded, just bring him back and have the hearing and then deport him. Case closed.



No need
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
14273 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:32 am to
He’s just a good father from Maryland that only abuses his wife when she deserves it.

Donald Trump sent Elon Musk to tattoo that incrementing evidence on the poor dad while Pam Bondi held him down!
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40682 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:32 am to
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We are a nation of laws, and those are dealt with using legal processes and procedures.


When it comes to Trump you people violated every law and procedure on the book in attempting to prevent him from running for President

You are two faced
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86210 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:34 am to
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We are a nation of laws,


No law states he can't be deported to El Salvador.


I'm still waiting on someone to post that law.


If you or ivory want to post that law, I will concede. But so far, nothing.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 9:38 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162878 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:35 am to
That imbecile Van Halen dude went ahead and JUMPED like a dumbass. And I will bet 5 dollars he brought that nerdy dad shirt for the MS-13 gang banger to wear.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125514 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:37 am to
Gangs is people, too.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53638 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:39 am to
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The illegality is always present until rectified


OK, then please walk us through the rectification process, as you see it.

Many of us aren't aware of all of the relevant facts. You can help there.

The nature of the "error" is administrative in that, while he qualifies for deportation, El Salvador is the wrong place to send him. He was supposed to be deported somewhere else.

What is the exact reason why he was not supposed to be deported to his home country of El Salvador? Personal safety reasons, because a rival gang Barrio 18 would do him harm? I don't know for sure, I'm asking.

If the administrative decision to NOT deport him to his home country of El Salvador was made for personal safety reasons, then, this admin error is arguably cured because he is in the safe custody of CECOT in his home country. He is alive and well in CECOT, as we have seen in recent photos.

At this point, I don't see how there is a legal requirement to cure this Administrative error any further by actually bringing him back to the USA for an additional Administrative Hearing. If that hearing would adjudicate whether he could be sent back to his home country with his personal safety reasonably provided for, then, it seems to me that this could be done without his presence here in the USA, and it will be a very brief Admin hearing, given the fact that he's alive and well back in his home country.

Can you help me understand this matter, if I'm confused about something, Counsel SFP?

You contend that an Administrative Error demands to be cured. Let's say that I agree with you. I contend that this error is already cured, because this MS13 gang member is back in his home country and confined in a place that provides reasonable protection of his personal safety.

This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 9:42 am
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
10997 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:39 am to
Well the admin says they made a mistake. Fix the mistake. Follow the legal process. Deport if necessary.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86075 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:40 am to
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The illegality is always present until rectified


I don't see how there is any viable remedy here
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:41 am to
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The illegality is always present until rectified

Wasn't illegal

Blammo. Rectified.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86075 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:41 am to
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Fix the mistake.


Maybe we can write a paper about how sorry we are and how we won't do it again

Rather than renditioning a dude from his home country to bring to a foreign land to send him back
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:42 am to
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Well the admin says they made a mistake

False
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154710 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:42 am to
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just bring him back


Go kidnap him?
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53638 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:43 am to
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Well the admin says they made a mistake. Fix the mistake. Follow the legal process. Deport if necessary.


Do you know the exact nature of the mistake? What was the underlying rationale for this admin decision to designate someplace else other than his home country for deportation?

If you can't answer that, you aren't fully prepared to discuss.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93712 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:43 am to
Another tard defending ms13
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34112 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:44 am to
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The illegality is always present until rectified


The fact that an El Salvadoran citizen is in an El Salvadoran jail and is, in fact, a criminal in his own country, seems to over shadow an administrative hearing in a foreign country.

It's not the responsibility of El Salvador to rectify American immigration "mistakes"

Regardless of the manor in which he arrived in El Salvador, they now have one of their criminals in one of their prisons. Why would they release him?

Would we do the same in a similar situation? Release a criminal to return to France for an administrative hearing on deportation, when we already have him in our custody?

Of course not. That's idiotic to even contemplate.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78147 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:44 am to
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His membership in MS13 is not relevant to the legal discussion
No, but it is relevant to the propaganda spectacle this has become. That's the source of 90% of the outrage.
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