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re: Heh. Left wing libtards are gonna chat thier pink panties when they wake up to this....
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:01 am to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:01 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:
Despite all the spin, Abrego Garcia was mistakenly deported to El Salvador.
The mistake was not the deportation but the "where".
My opinion...oh well.
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Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:01 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Do you have some authority better than the sworn declaration of the ICE Field Director to describe the deportation as an "oversight" in violation of the protective order???
Does the Stephen Miller quote I posted above answer this?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:06 am to TigerGman
And check this quote of the victim out--
It was all just a typical family wife beater disagreement!
It was all just a typical family wife beater disagreement!
quote:
After surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship, I acted out of caution after a disagreement with Kilmar by seeking a civil protective order in case things escalated," Vasquez said. "Things did not escalate, and I decided not to follow through with the civil court process. We were able to work through this situation privately as a family, including by going to counseling. Our marriage only grew stronger in the years that followed. No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect. That is not a justification for ICE's action of abducting him and deporting him to a country where he was supposed to be protected from deportation. Kilmar has always been a loving partner and father, and I will continue to stand by him and demand justice for him."
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:07 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:Because they failed to clear an old withholding order, the conditions of which no longer applied.
Why did the administration say he was mistakenly reported?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:09 am to i am dan
Miller is an intellectual powerhouse and does more for our coubtry in a day than I will do in my lifetime.
In this case, however, he is just spinning the truth to make the Administration look strong. His statement wasn't under oath. The DOJ NEVER amended their pleadings to incorporate Miller's fantasy, because no one with a law degree would swear under penalty of perjury or sanctions under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 to Miller's bizarre interpretation of the law and facts.
Some of y'all just can't deal with truth. I haven't seen ANY of you or Miller or ANY judge or justice who has reviewed the facts and law in this case call the ICE Field Director a liar, because he was stating the truth UNDER OATH.
I'm happy with the result in this case. I just can't take the lying anymore.
In this case, however, he is just spinning the truth to make the Administration look strong. His statement wasn't under oath. The DOJ NEVER amended their pleadings to incorporate Miller's fantasy, because no one with a law degree would swear under penalty of perjury or sanctions under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 to Miller's bizarre interpretation of the law and facts.
Some of y'all just can't deal with truth. I haven't seen ANY of you or Miller or ANY judge or justice who has reviewed the facts and law in this case call the ICE Field Director a liar, because he was stating the truth UNDER OATH.
I'm happy with the result in this case. I just can't take the lying anymore.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 6:17 am
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:15 am to NC_Tigah
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Because they failed to clear an old withholding order, the conditions of which no longer applied.
This. There's no dispute about this. The Administration could have moved to dissolve the withholding order. No doubt the immigration judge would have granted their motion, and Abrego Garcia could have been legally deported to El Salvador as he should have been in 2019 during the first Trump Administration.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:21 am to TigerGman
Check her bank account
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:22 am to i am dan
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Does the Stephen Miller quote I posted above answer this?
Not in the least. Miller's theory makes sense only if there were a Presidential Proclamation that MS-13 was part of an incursion launched with the help of a foreign government as required under the Alien Enemies Act.
There IS such a Proclamation for TDA. None exists for MS-13, because that would be a lie. Case closed.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:24 am to DMAN1968
quote:
The mistake was not the deportation but the "where".
Exactly. Why can't people acknowledge this simple truth???
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:25 am to IvoryBillMatt
You are the epitome of the OP's statement.
You truly are getting all wrapped up in your feels and pink panties....
...over a fricking gang banger illegal alien.
Turn off your computer and take a walk.
You truly are getting all wrapped up in your feels and pink panties....
...over a fricking gang banger illegal alien.
Turn off your computer and take a walk.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 6:28 am
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:26 am to burger bearcat
You realize that a person can be a legal resident even if not a citizen.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:29 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:... and the other side is just spinning the truth to make the Administration look bad.
he is just spinning the truth to make the Administration look strong
The truth is the Administration simply failed to clear an old withholding order. The order was conditionally obsolete, so this wasn't a matter of trying to skirt around it. It was no longer applicable. Clearance was a technicality. But they missed it.
The blowback you're getting is deserved, frankly. Like it or not, you're piling in with cretins who imply this man would not have been deported if the withholding order had been addressed, that he was not here illegally, he was not MS13, he did not break the law.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:30 am to Houag80
quote:
..over a fricking gang banger illegal alien.
Abrego Garcia is irrelevant to the discussion. It's truth or lies. Under Trump 2.0, I was hopeful we could stick to truth.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:31 am to TigerFanatic99
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intellectual honesty.
You’re confusing government with “the administration“. The same government which gleefully proceeded to persecute a sitting president for a bunch of lies stemming from the Steele dossier.
Funny, how one side will just bulldoze over the law when it suits him but then get totally lost in the weeds if it’s going to make Trump look bad.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 6:36 am
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:33 am to IvoryBillMatt
No sir. You stepped in it and proved the op correct. Just admit your Marxist preferences and stop this charade of a "concerned conservative".
It's laughable.
It's laughable.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:38 am to VOR
quote:We are talking about Kilmar Abrego Garcia though.
You realize that a person can be a legal resident even if not a citizen.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:41 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:
Why did the administration say he was mistakenly reported?
Awww …. Bless your heart …
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:41 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:42 am to IvoryBillMatt
Are you seriously taking the position that a glut of people amongst us are aggressively fighting off the notion that a mistake was made, at some level? Again, you have become discombobulated in this matter, resulting in at least perhaps temporary fantastical perception of what level of seriousness this actually is.
How extreme do you propose this isolated incident should be viewed, and exactly what would be different had the “mistake” not been made? Again, apparently the administration referred to it itself as a “mistake,” so why would you suggest that the admin is aggressively fighting any suggestion of mistake or error? It was not a malicious intentional act of fascism, as the left would have you believe, no one was literally physically harmed, and at the end of the day the guy was leaving this country regardless.
Maybe you weren’t aware (I’m being facetious here of course), but “mistakes” of similar general natures are not exactly a rare occurrence. That’s not to say they warrant calling attention to them and an acknowledgement of same……but neither is a mistake, this mistake, a crisis as is the bill of goods being sold by the left, and unfortunately being purchased extensively.
It’s really sort of bizarre that it’s even having to be discussed to this extent of extreme conclusions and labels.
How extreme do you propose this isolated incident should be viewed, and exactly what would be different had the “mistake” not been made? Again, apparently the administration referred to it itself as a “mistake,” so why would you suggest that the admin is aggressively fighting any suggestion of mistake or error? It was not a malicious intentional act of fascism, as the left would have you believe, no one was literally physically harmed, and at the end of the day the guy was leaving this country regardless.
Maybe you weren’t aware (I’m being facetious here of course), but “mistakes” of similar general natures are not exactly a rare occurrence. That’s not to say they warrant calling attention to them and an acknowledgement of same……but neither is a mistake, this mistake, a crisis as is the bill of goods being sold by the left, and unfortunately being purchased extensively.
It’s really sort of bizarre that it’s even having to be discussed to this extent of extreme conclusions and labels.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 6:48 am
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:44 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Like it or not, you're piling in with cretins who imply this man would not have been deported if the withholding order had been addressed, that he was not here illegally, he was not MS13, he did not break the law.
Only lazy thinkers would "pile me in" with positions I clearly reject. Do I care? No.
People come to this Board for different reasons. Some come to feel better about what they already feel. They don't care about the truth. They're just looking for affirmation from their tribe.
I'm here to better understand reality. When people won't accept the truth because it makes them uncomfortable it muddies the conversation. That matters to me. It doesn't matter to others. That's OK. This is just a discussion board, and I'm not the boss of it.
Cheers
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