re: Gun to your head have to choose to follow one: Trump or Leo?

I'm a big Trump fan. But if given the choice of having lunch with President Biden or Leo I'll take Leo. He's the first Pope who speaks English and Biden is the first U.S. President who can't speak English.

This Pope is a deep state plant.

Trump isnt a religious leader. Neither is Leo, for that matter.

I support Trump because 1) He didn't rise up from within the ranks of the corrupt Political Establishment, and 2) The corrupt Political Establishment hates Trump because they can't control him.

Many here understand what I just posted. Many don't understand it. That's their problem, although things would be better off if the Useful Idiots understood that they were being manipulated by the corrupt system.

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Gun to your head have to choose to follow one: Trump or Leo?

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Of all the things you could possibly ask, why this one?

Did you think it’s a topic that really needs to be explored?

Leo, Trump is an awful human

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Easy, Papa Leo.

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If you choose Trump and are a Catholic you are rejecting the vicar of Christ. Good luck with that.

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Trump was not sent by God in like manner.

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I don't know what authority you have to make this statement. I happen to think it is quite possible that the opposite is true. Do you have a problem with Trump not being a perfect man? I don't know of any great leader from Scripture that was any different in stature than Trump. All were quite flawed in character.

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Trump is not a prophet of God

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Neither was Noah, nor Abraham, nor Jacob, nor David, nor Peter, as well as many others. All were flawed, sinful men that God chose to use for his own purposes. They were also audacious, strong, violent men who defied God often. Many followers of these men were seriously punished for defying these men.

Are you so sure you know God's will and plan to be able to say that he hasn't chosen Donald Trump for just this moment in time to accomplish His will on Earth?

We must all be very careful when we assume to speak for God

You want people to opine on a hypothetical that can never happen?

How about as a Catholic, The Pope is the leader of my Church. The Pope is a spiritual leader.

Trump is my President and I’m an American.

Nobody has to choose 1. The entire premise is dumb.

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I don't know what authority you have to make this statement. I happen to think it is quite possible that the opposite is true.

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I said, "in like manner". What I mean is that Moses was given direct revelation and proof of it through miracles. Trump neither claims to have had such revelation (to my knowledge), nor has a miraculous claim to support such a prophetic claim.

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Do you have a problem with Trump not being a perfect man? I don't know of any great leader from Scripture that was any different in stature than Trump. All were quite flawed in character.

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All were flawed, but all were also held out as examples of faithfulness to the one, true God. They were also repentant for their sins, which is an evidence of someone indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

I'm not saying Trump or any leader must be perfectly sinless, because that's an impossible standard for mere humans to reach. However, leaders are set to a higher standard, and they are called to be godly in their character and conduct. Trump is not that. It's not a matter of if he messes up from time to time, but is he characterized by godliness, and any serious Christian would be hard-pressed to say that he's characterized by godliness.

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Neither was Noah, nor Abraham, nor Jacob, nor David, nor Peter, as well as many others. All were flawed, sinful men that God chose to use for his own purposes. They were also audacious, strong, violent men who defied God often. Many followers of these men were seriously punished for defying these men.

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I'm interacting with the comparison to Moses. The men you cited here were also godly, through not sinless, and they honored the Lord. Trump doesn't care about such a thing, at least from his words and actions. He's a pragmatist who follows his own compass, not God's.

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Are you so sure you know God's will and plan to be able to say that he hasn't chosen Donald Trump for just this moment in time to accomplish His will on Earth?

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No, but I'm not speaking to that. God also used Pharaoh just as much as He used Moses in exhibiting His power and glory in setting the people of Israel free from bondage.

God is free to use anyone He pleases to accomplish His purposes, but the secret things (God's eternal decree and "secret will") belong to Him. I'm speaking to God's revealed will (from the Scriptures).

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We must all be very careful when we assume to speak for God

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I don't have to speak for God. He speaks for Himself in the Scriptures. I'm simply attempting to draw out the truth of the Scriptures and apply them to this topic.