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re: Gun control Compromise

Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28606 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:55 pm to
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I think your compromise is ridiculous but many here think the amendment is pretty broad when it's not. I suspect it will be refined even more as it relates to automatic military type weapons.


I'll ask you the same I did earlier.

What do you think an automatic weapon is?

Can you name a crime that has been committed with an automatic weapon in the last 30-40 years?
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19804 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:59 pm to
My compromise:

1. Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934.
2. Repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.
3. Leftists go frick themselves.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2649 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:00 pm to
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I'll ask you the same I did earlier.

What do you think an automatic weapon is?

Can you name a crime that has been committed with an automatic weapon in the last 30-40 years?
Do conversions count?
Posted by Sailin Tiger
Member since Jul 2014
1680 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:00 pm to
The BoR was literally written by man as the first 10 amendments to the constitution. Now there are truths that we hold to be self evident but the founders thought it necessary to still specify certain rights as protected. Most of U.S law is based on precedent however so as new precedents are set like those limiting gun rights that should have been protected by the 2nd amendment they are not so easily retracted. If you think you will simply get a supreme court to do so you are mistaken. The only way forward to more gun rights is through new precedent such as establishing and reaffirming laws protecting gun purchases and the right to carry even if it means with a license. To clarify this currently the majority of states do not have any laws restricting magazines and such if we could go after the states that do the U.S as a whole is more pro gun. Same goes for carry permits most states currently require carry permits however some are very tough to get and the is little reciprocity, if the narrative was pushed that there should be uniform, simple, license procedures that cross state lines this would also be a positive for gun rights across the U.S IMO.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19426 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:03 pm to
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The only way forward to more gun rights is through new precedent such as establishing and reaffirming laws protecting gun purchases and the right to carry even if it means with a license.


I think you just leave the existing laws alone. Any new legislation or precedent is only going to further restrict gun ownership IMO
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2649 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:03 pm to
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The BoR was literally written by man as the first 10 amendments to the constitution. Now there are truths that we hold to be self evident but the founders thought it necessary to still specify certain rights as protected. Most of U.S law is based on precedent however so as new precedents are set like those limiting gun rights that should have been protected by the 2nd amendment they are not so easily retracted. If you think you will simply get a supreme court to do so you are mistaken. The only way forward to more gun rights is through new precedent such as establishing and reaffirming laws protecting gun purchases and the right to carry even if it means with a license. To clarify this currently the majority of states do not have any laws restricting magazines and such if we could go after the states that do the U.S as a whole is more pro gun. Same goes for carry permits most states currently require carry permits however some are very tough to get and the is little reciprocity, if the narrative was pushed that there should be uniform, simple, license procedures that cross state lines this would also be a positive for gun rights across the U.S IMO.

Written by man, but not granted by man.

As such, they are not man's to take.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2649 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:04 pm to
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I think you just leave the existing laws alone. Any new legislation or precedent is only going to further restrict gun ownership IMO

Laws on top of laws are the leftists way of ensuring that sooner or later, everyone becomes a criminal.
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7773 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:08 pm to
Shall not infringe.

How many other constitutional rights require back ground checks and licenses?
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2649 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

How many other constitutional rights require back ground checks and licenses?



Posted by Sailin Tiger
Member since Jul 2014
1680 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:10 pm to
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Written by man, but not granted by man.

As such, they are not man's to take.


This is a beautiful notion and in principle I agree with you. But you are attempting to choose a hill to die on that is already currently lost. Eventually we will have to learn to take freedoms back in the same small increments that they were lost or continue down the road of letting the leftists control the narrative incrementally shoving us off the hill we do have and have us wishing we could get back here.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2649 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:15 pm to
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This is a beautiful notion and in principle I agree with you. But you are attempting to choose a hill to die on that is already currently lost. Eventually we will have to learn to take freedoms back in the same small increments that they were lost or continue down the road of letting the leftists control the narrative incrementally shoving us off the hill we do have and have us wishing we could get back here.

I vehemently disagree. The amendment is not theirs to bastardize. Nor is it yours, if we're being honest.
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
1274 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:16 pm to
When you consider the extensive gun control the UK has right now and because of the devolution of society enabled by the left, the UK is now instituting KNIFE CONTROL.

The left never addresses the root cause. The root cause of gun violence is the left's tinkering with society, the legal system, racial warfare, redefining justice, dumbing down education, attacking Judeo-Christian culture, family structure, etc., etc. In fact, it is accurate to assert that this societal toxicity is intentional. The vast majority of gun violence is a symptom of what the left has engineered, some by naivete, some intentionally.
Posted by Syntax
FL390
Member since Aug 2020
976 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:26 pm to
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I'll ask you the same I did earlier.

What do you think an automatic weapon is?

Can you name a crime that has been committed with an automatic weapon in the last 30-40 years?



You didn't ask me, it's my first post here but I'm not claiming to know or clarify what an automatic weapon is or what anyone might classify as an objectionable weapon. The only point is the Supreme Court has been clear, and in a conservative leaning court, that owning and using a weapon is not unlimited. It's also likely the Supreme Court will be called upon to issue further rulings and they'll likely be on a similar footing. Be thankful Trump got another conservative on the court because the rulings have been straight down party lines.

Again, from the two most recent landmark Supreme Court decisions:

"The right to keep and bear arms is not ‘a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.’
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2649 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

When you consider the extensive gun control the UK has right now and because of the devolution of society enabled by the left, the UK is now instituting KNIFE CONTROL.

The left never addresses the root cause. The root cause of gun violence is the left's tinkering with society, the legal system, racial warfare, redefining justice, dumbing down education, attacking Judeo-Christian culture, family structure, etc., etc. In fact, it is accurate to assert that this societal toxicity is intentional. The vast majority of gun violence is a symptom of what the left has engineered, some by naivete, some intentionally.

Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29879 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:32 pm to
Zero compromise. Period.
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
2211 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:24 pm to
Trump himself said that “if it were easier for people to vote, republicans would never win another election.” How do you stop that from happening? You certainly don’t give people, who are afraid of getting covid, the option to vote by mail. You make voting as difficult as you can. You limit polling places, polling hours, and ballot drop boxes.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2649 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:32 pm to
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Trump himself said that “if it were easier for people to vote, republicans would never win another election.” How do you stop that from happening? You certainly don’t give people, who are afraid of getting covid, the option to vote by mail. You make voting as difficult as you can. You limit polling places, polling hours, and ballot drop boxes.
So tell me again how that translates to, and I'm going to quote you:
quote:

The problem with that, is republicans don’t actually want voter reform, they want voter suppression.
Because you took one single example of what one person said and applied it to the entirety of a political party.

In what other situations are you comfortable taking the actions/behavior of one person and applying it to the whole?

I'm sure I won't get an actual answer on that, but as long as you're aware that your bias and hypocrisy are showing, that's all right with me.
Posted by jb21lsu
NWLA
Member since Mar 2018
2890 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:54 pm to
Here's your compromise. Read the second amendment. Tell me where it says compromise.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:00 pm to
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The problem with that, is republicans don’t actually want voter reform, they want voter suppression.
Liar
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:05 pm to
No compromise, not ever.

Stick to the 2A word for word.
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