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re: Gun control Compromise
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:55 pm to Syntax
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:55 pm to Syntax
quote:
I think your compromise is ridiculous but many here think the amendment is pretty broad when it's not. I suspect it will be refined even more as it relates to automatic military type weapons.
I'll ask you the same I did earlier.
What do you think an automatic weapon is?
Can you name a crime that has been committed with an automatic weapon in the last 30-40 years?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:59 pm to Sailin Tiger
My compromise:
1. Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934.
2. Repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.
3. Leftists go frick themselves.
1. Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934.
2. Repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.
3. Leftists go frick themselves.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:00 pm to bbvdd
quote:Do conversions count?
I'll ask you the same I did earlier.
What do you think an automatic weapon is?
Can you name a crime that has been committed with an automatic weapon in the last 30-40 years?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:00 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
The BoR was literally written by man as the first 10 amendments to the constitution. Now there are truths that we hold to be self evident but the founders thought it necessary to still specify certain rights as protected. Most of U.S law is based on precedent however so as new precedents are set like those limiting gun rights that should have been protected by the 2nd amendment they are not so easily retracted. If you think you will simply get a supreme court to do so you are mistaken. The only way forward to more gun rights is through new precedent such as establishing and reaffirming laws protecting gun purchases and the right to carry even if it means with a license. To clarify this currently the majority of states do not have any laws restricting magazines and such if we could go after the states that do the U.S as a whole is more pro gun. Same goes for carry permits most states currently require carry permits however some are very tough to get and the is little reciprocity, if the narrative was pushed that there should be uniform, simple, license procedures that cross state lines this would also be a positive for gun rights across the U.S IMO.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:03 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:
The only way forward to more gun rights is through new precedent such as establishing and reaffirming laws protecting gun purchases and the right to carry even if it means with a license.
I think you just leave the existing laws alone. Any new legislation or precedent is only going to further restrict gun ownership IMO
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:03 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:Written by man, but not granted by man.
The BoR was literally written by man as the first 10 amendments to the constitution. Now there are truths that we hold to be self evident but the founders thought it necessary to still specify certain rights as protected. Most of U.S law is based on precedent however so as new precedents are set like those limiting gun rights that should have been protected by the 2nd amendment they are not so easily retracted. If you think you will simply get a supreme court to do so you are mistaken. The only way forward to more gun rights is through new precedent such as establishing and reaffirming laws protecting gun purchases and the right to carry even if it means with a license. To clarify this currently the majority of states do not have any laws restricting magazines and such if we could go after the states that do the U.S as a whole is more pro gun. Same goes for carry permits most states currently require carry permits however some are very tough to get and the is little reciprocity, if the narrative was pushed that there should be uniform, simple, license procedures that cross state lines this would also be a positive for gun rights across the U.S IMO.
As such, they are not man's to take.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:04 pm to jchamil
quote:Laws on top of laws are the leftists way of ensuring that sooner or later, everyone becomes a criminal.
I think you just leave the existing laws alone. Any new legislation or precedent is only going to further restrict gun ownership IMO
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:08 pm to Sailin Tiger
Shall not infringe.
How many other constitutional rights require back ground checks and licenses?
How many other constitutional rights require back ground checks and licenses?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:09 pm to tommy2tone1999
quote:
How many other constitutional rights require back ground checks and licenses?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:10 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:
Written by man, but not granted by man.
As such, they are not man's to take.
This is a beautiful notion and in principle I agree with you. But you are attempting to choose a hill to die on that is already currently lost. Eventually we will have to learn to take freedoms back in the same small increments that they were lost or continue down the road of letting the leftists control the narrative incrementally shoving us off the hill we do have and have us wishing we could get back here.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:15 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:I vehemently disagree. The amendment is not theirs to bastardize. Nor is it yours, if we're being honest.
This is a beautiful notion and in principle I agree with you. But you are attempting to choose a hill to die on that is already currently lost. Eventually we will have to learn to take freedoms back in the same small increments that they were lost or continue down the road of letting the leftists control the narrative incrementally shoving us off the hill we do have and have us wishing we could get back here.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:16 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
When you consider the extensive gun control the UK has right now and because of the devolution of society enabled by the left, the UK is now instituting KNIFE CONTROL.
The left never addresses the root cause. The root cause of gun violence is the left's tinkering with society, the legal system, racial warfare, redefining justice, dumbing down education, attacking Judeo-Christian culture, family structure, etc., etc. In fact, it is accurate to assert that this societal toxicity is intentional. The vast majority of gun violence is a symptom of what the left has engineered, some by naivete, some intentionally.
The left never addresses the root cause. The root cause of gun violence is the left's tinkering with society, the legal system, racial warfare, redefining justice, dumbing down education, attacking Judeo-Christian culture, family structure, etc., etc. In fact, it is accurate to assert that this societal toxicity is intentional. The vast majority of gun violence is a symptom of what the left has engineered, some by naivete, some intentionally.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:26 pm to bbvdd
quote:
I'll ask you the same I did earlier.
What do you think an automatic weapon is?
Can you name a crime that has been committed with an automatic weapon in the last 30-40 years?
You didn't ask me, it's my first post here but I'm not claiming to know or clarify what an automatic weapon is or what anyone might classify as an objectionable weapon. The only point is the Supreme Court has been clear, and in a conservative leaning court, that owning and using a weapon is not unlimited. It's also likely the Supreme Court will be called upon to issue further rulings and they'll likely be on a similar footing. Be thankful Trump got another conservative on the court because the rulings have been straight down party lines.
Again, from the two most recent landmark Supreme Court decisions:
"The right to keep and bear arms is not ‘a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.’
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:29 pm to bizeagle
quote:
When you consider the extensive gun control the UK has right now and because of the devolution of society enabled by the left, the UK is now instituting KNIFE CONTROL.
The left never addresses the root cause. The root cause of gun violence is the left's tinkering with society, the legal system, racial warfare, redefining justice, dumbing down education, attacking Judeo-Christian culture, family structure, etc., etc. In fact, it is accurate to assert that this societal toxicity is intentional. The vast majority of gun violence is a symptom of what the left has engineered, some by naivete, some intentionally.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:32 pm to Sailin Tiger
Zero compromise. Period.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:24 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Trump himself said that “if it were easier for people to vote, republicans would never win another election.” How do you stop that from happening? You certainly don’t give people, who are afraid of getting covid, the option to vote by mail. You make voting as difficult as you can. You limit polling places, polling hours, and ballot drop boxes.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:32 pm to lsufan31
quote:So tell me again how that translates to, and I'm going to quote you:
Trump himself said that “if it were easier for people to vote, republicans would never win another election.” How do you stop that from happening? You certainly don’t give people, who are afraid of getting covid, the option to vote by mail. You make voting as difficult as you can. You limit polling places, polling hours, and ballot drop boxes.
quote:Because you took one single example of what one person said and applied it to the entirety of a political party.
The problem with that, is republicans don’t actually want voter reform, they want voter suppression.
In what other situations are you comfortable taking the actions/behavior of one person and applying it to the whole?
I'm sure I won't get an actual answer on that, but as long as you're aware that your bias and hypocrisy are showing, that's all right with me.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:54 pm to Sailin Tiger
Here's your compromise. Read the second amendment. Tell me where it says compromise.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:00 pm to lsufan31
quote:Liar
The problem with that, is republicans don’t actually want voter reform, they want voter suppression.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:05 pm to Sailin Tiger
No compromise, not ever.
Stick to the 2A word for word.
Stick to the 2A word for word.
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